Clown did a few good things against Dallas, but they lost. That's the problem. As his minutes go up the Jazz start to loose. It's because of all the small things players need to do to help their team win. CJ is an imaginary super star, not a team player. No lateral defense at all and he gets confused easily. They should give him 5 minutes max, not 20 minutes, unless they like loosing to good teams like Dallas and LA.
Can the C.J. Miles experiment please end?
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gregbroncs
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You do realize that for 2 games in a row he has had the best +/- on the team?
Though +/- means little both Hayward and Harris were far bigger problems against Dallas than CJ was. We really missed Howard against that team. He could have had a huge impact defending Marion.
Miles has also been reboudning really well.
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Yea his rebounding and defense are far superior to anything we have ever seen from him. I also like that he is passing more and chucking much, much less.
I think he feels pressure to try and be the Jazz outside threat because of our severe lack of an outside threat.
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Hayward sparked our comeback in the 3rd and was playing very active defense and disrupting the Dallas offense. Ty sat him and brought in CJ and the Dallas offense started to click right along.
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It isn't bizarre at all when you factor in his total lack of anything resembling a basketball IQ.
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Yet Hayward finished -5 and CJ finished +5. If he sparked the comeback you would think he would be on the floor for more points than they gave up.
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Shows you why +/- is all but useless. You also have to remember that he was on the floor at the beginning when the starters could do nothing and dallas built their lead. +/- cannot show impact during particular parts of the game. But in the 3rd it was very obviously active defense, particularly by Hayward, that started turning things around. They swap out Miles and then one or 2 others and the rally stops. You should watch games, not just meaningless stats.
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... if, by "click right along", you mean one total Dallas field goal in the last 3:50 of the third quarter (after CJ came in), the Jazz managing to close the rest of the gap to end Q3 with a tie, and the Jazz being behind by only two points when Hayward came back in for CJ at the 5:18 mark in the fourth quarter.
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gregbroncs
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I did watch the 2nd half. And especially hayward giving Marion a wide open layup at a critical point in the game when he just plain lost his man on defense. That is what I meant be being a dissappointment. You don't just not guard the leading scorer in the game, when it is on the line. That play was critical in the loss. If not the basket that broke them.
I also saw the hurried open shot that he missed. And though I missed the 1st part of the game I understand (from reports and radio) that they came out with no energy. Is he not a part of that lineup?
The play you are talking about here is what you get sometimes when a guy has a good basketball IQ. Go read Locke break down on that play. Gordon was making the rotation that he was supposed to make but might have gone a little early because he saw it coming. Kidd made a great play there and caught Gordon and Milsap in a switching situation. To me it didn't look Gordon lost his man the Defense that was supposed to be pick up on the switch wasn't there when Gordon left of his switch (again Gordo might have gone early because he saw what was coming so the rotation was slow). Sometimes the offense just makes the better play. Dallas made the 2 that counted at the end
I was going to say the same thing, minus all the smart semantics. I had planned on saying something like, "Ya? How about you go watch that play again, *** face, and realize that God wasn't the one who screwed that play up. Look at how the rotation was going, etc. Nice of you to finally chime in on this thread once your boy-toy has had two good games in a row -- we'll see you back in lurking mode once he starts sucking deer placenta for the next few weeks. Eat a large one, pee swiller."
Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
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Im squashing this once and for all. Cj miles is plenty good enough for this.
Cj miles haters need to STFU.
Cj miles haters need to STFU.
Whoops! I wish we had a game corrector for Miles. Still losing with the clown in the game too long. He will be clanking big time tonight. Law of averages. They should bench him anytime he takes a three. I like it when he tries to go to the rim, but he will get smacked around if he tries that too much. I just think everyone is expecting too much from him. He's just not that smart and it's sad.
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Gordon is standing in the middle of the key guarding nobody. Marion went baseline and Gordo followed. Gordan was looking at the ball and completely lost his guy. Millsap had his guy on the block. Gordan lost track of his man while watching Kidd with the ball. What part of good basketball IQ is it to leave you man all alone under the basket with one of the best passer's in the league having the ball?
For fishass this has little to do with CJ. Gordan made critical errors down the stretch that directly led to this loss. And Harris was almost as bad as he could possibly be.
CJ has played well for a little bit now. I don't necessarily expect it to last. He is just an average role player at best. The Scary thing is I'm not sure Hayward is ever going to be anything more than CJ is now.
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