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Can the C.J. Miles experiment please end?

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Nate505 said:
I hate it when he gets into chucking mode, but lately he's really doing a good job of driving to the basket. Yes, I know, we've seen this fool's gold before, but maybe he'll be more consistent with it.

Yesterday he did get a bit back into chuck mode, but it felt more acceptable as he was also being aggressive as well. It's probably near that fine line of being good and being a ballhog.
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This is a good and fair assessment, imo.
 
The Clown is a chucker. That's not going to change. I think the point that all the CJ haters are trying to make is why do we have to keep settling for this clown year after year after year after year, hoping he will improve? It Nuts! We can't win anything big with the Clown. END THE CJ EXPERIMENT...PLEASE!!!!!!!
 
Double Negative said:
I don't mind this thread, but it loses all credibility when the haters refuse to acknowledge that CJ has been contributing of late.
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Not really true. There is ONE hater in here who can't acknowledge Chucker's 1 out of 7 good games. So please, do the REAL haters a favor, and don't lump us all in with Mountain/Rainhut/cherbear/douchnugget.

I sure did enjoy all that slashing and getting to the line... only to shoot 50% from the stripe.
 
Every so often I run the Jazz season numbers through my magic spreadsheet to look at the player's per-minute production, and I was surprised by what I found in the latest version. Miles is leading the team in FTA/min - something I thought I'd never, ever see, given his career mark is less than half his current rate. Last year was his previous best in FTA/Min by a long way, but he has surpassed even that by a long, long way. Could we be seeing actual year-on-year improvement in at least this facet of his game? Also, his FT% for the year is not bad, 75.5%, good for second on the team (discounting Bell's 3-3 effort). Howard is a very close second in FTA/min stakes, and his 88.9 FT% leads the team. Burks is third in FTA/min, and is shooting FTA at 74.2%, 4th best in the team.

Lastly, when watching the games, Boler and Harp are always very excited when Millsap steals the ball and rave about how he has improved this facet of his game. And well they should, he is ranked #2 in STL/min on the team, racking up thefts at a rate that you normally only see from ball-hawking guards. But what is really surprising is who leads the team - that's right, CJ Miles leads the team in STL/min. Again, this is a massive leap from his career mark, and well over 50% from his rate the past two seasons. Could we be seeing another area of improvement, is he getting better at reading the play defensively?
 
Mantis said:
Every so often I run the Jazz season numbers through my magic spreadsheet to look at the player's per-minute production, and I was surprised by what I found in the latest version. Miles is leading the team in FTA/min - something I thought I'd never, ever see, given his career mark is less than half his current rate. Last year was his previous best in FTA/Min by a long way, but he has surpassed even that by a long, long way. Could we be seeing actual year-on-year improvement in at least this facet of his game? Also, his FT% for the year is not bad, 75.5%, good for second on the team (discounting Bell's 3-3 effort). Howard is a very close second in FTA/min stakes, and his 88.9 FT% leads the team. Burks is third in FTA/min, and is shooting FTA at 74.2%, 4th best in the team.

Lastly, when watching the games, Boler and Harp are always very excited when Millsap steals the ball and rave about how he has improved this facet of his game. And well they should, he is ranked #2 in STL/min on the team, racking up thefts at a rate that you normally only see from ball-hawking guards. But what is really surprising is who leads the team - that's right, CJ Miles leads the team in STL/min. Again, this is a massive leap from his career mark, and well over 50% from his rate the past two seasons. Could we be seeing another area of improvement, is he getting better at reading the play defensively?
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CJ's defense seems to have improved somewhat, and the steals is a possible sign.

But this is an argument of chucks vs. robbers, if you will. He might be defending "at a higher level", to paraphrase Bronco Mendenrobot, but I'll believe that he's not a chucker when his FG% comes up a bit more and stays there.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Why are you comparing CJ to Stockton and Horny?
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LogGrad98 said:
Comparing someone everyone says is our go-to guy late in the shot clock to previous go-to guys. The late in the shot clock excuse doesn't hold water. Plenty of go-to guys in the league get the ball late in the shot clock and still shoot a decent percentage. It is no longer a valid excuse for cj's poor shooting. He is simply a crappy shooter.
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Cyrone Torbin said:
He is our go-to scorer off the bench. Either him or Howard. Compare him to Shandon Anderson or something.
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LogGrad98 said:
Go-to guy is a go-to guy. Are you trying to say that since he is just the GO-TO guy off the bench he is somehow exempted from being expected to shoot a serviceable percentage?

Go-to guy from the bench...ok, how about Ginobili? Career .373 from 3 and .450 from the field. His best year from 3? .519 this season.

How about Hayward, since he was kind of our go to guy last season while CJ was sucking it up. Last season his only full season, he shot .473 from 3 and .485 from the field. His career numbers are .407 and .461.

How about Korver? Another go-to guy for us off the bench. .412 from 3 career, .431 from the field. Best season? .536 from 3. And he shot a ton at the end of the shot clock.

So let's look at Shandon Anderson. Another guy a little like Iguodala. Career .316 from 3, but .457 from the field. Best season? .511 from 3.

The point is, if you are the go-to guy, off the bench or whatever, then you won't stay the go-to guy for long if you can't shoot. Unless your name is CJ Miles for whatever reason. The late shot clock excuse is dead. What is the next one?
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fgcamel said:
lol i thought this exact same thing. what about mj? how does he compare to him?
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So do any of that posted before your question answer your question?

Try reading first, then posting.
 
Looking at all the stats and trying to find a way to believe that the Clown CJ Miles is improving, is a form of insanity. Every year, year after year, the CJ hopers keep trying to find good news. THIS INSANE EXPERIMENT SHOULD END!
 
I think most people know who CJ is and his history and that all signs show he'll go back to being that but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't acknowledge what he has been doing over these past several games. As well as we are all Jazz fans and if CJ happens to do well despite his past it means for those game(s) he helped the Jazz win and not hurt them and nothing wrong with being happy.

But keep on hating, nothing bad ever happens from hate and trying to spread ones hate.
 
His change feels different than the flashes he's shown in the past. In the past, when he's performed well, he's hit his shots.

It seems like he's being aggressive, making good decisions, and getting to the rim. If he keeps it up...?
 
mountain said:
The Clown is in action! Clown D. This is too funny.
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The Clown came in when the Jazz had an 18 point lead and it vanished and eventually the Jazz lost the game. Not all Miles' fault of course, but he got thing rolling with his Clown D and low percentage shooting.
 
CJ teases us by being good for 1 out of 3 games instead of his usual 1 for 5. That's kind of like saying your wife/gf only cheated on you one time this week instead of Friday AND Saturday so the relationship MUST be getting BETTER.
 
I have tried to believe that he can turn it around. I give up. So frustrating because he has the talent to be a stud. Just the b ball iq of Jason Williams.
 
I know, right? A second round pick should be consistant and awesome. Geez.

Get your **** together folks. CJ being a consistant player for the Jazz is a pipe dream.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I know, right? A second round pick should be consistant and awesome. Geez.

Get your **** together folks. CJ being a consistant player for the Jazz is a pipe dream.
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It was a very early 2nd-rounder (#34) so you'd expect a higher probability than a lot of other second-rounders. And supposedly the Jazz had promised CJ they'd take him with their second pick in the 1st round (before they traded that pick away). That's why Miles stayed in the draft instead of going to college. And for that very reason, Larry H stepped up and guaranteed his contract for a couple of years despite the Jazz drafting him in the 2nd round. It was a class act by Larry H.
 
In ten less minutes than Hayward, Chucker put up three more shots, and had one more point. Want to know what he did when he wasn't chucking his 33% night? Here's a hint: Nothing.

No rebounds.
No Assists.
No Blocks.
No Steals.
No Heart.
No Surprise.

Hayward is certainly struggling, but he dished 6 dimes, a block, a steal, and a board. 8 points on 50% shooting. THIS is why Gordon is starting and why Chucker will continue to lose minutes. (that, and he's white)
 
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