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Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)

cowhide said:
Kyle Lowry just re-signed with Toronto - 4 years $48m. He put up 17.8 pts and 7.4 assists per game. Besides he was a man during the playoffs. So how is Hayward worth anymore then him?
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He's not. Lowry is a stud.
 
cowhide said:
Kyle Lowry just re-signed with Toronto - 4 years $48m. He put up 17.8 pts and 7.4 assists per game. Besides he was a man during the playoffs. So how is Hayward worth anymore then him?
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It will be interesting to see what happens-- Lance Stephenson turned down a similar contract. Maybe we will get Hayward for 11 or 12 in the end. Or it would be ironic if we got him for the original extension offer.
 
cowhide said:
Please clarify. do you agree or not? Why?
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How do we trade a restricted free-agent if he demands too much money? He would have to agree to the trade, in essence going to the team he wants to go to. Not exactly check-mate.

If you're talking about the scenario where Hayward opts for the QO to become unrestricted next season, we'd get pennies on the dollar and he'd just go to whatever team he wants to in 12 months. Again, not really check-mate.
 
Qman said:
It will be interesting to see what happens-- Lance Stephenson turned down a similar contract. Maybe we will get Hayward for 11 or 12 in the end. Or it would be ironic if we got him for the original extension offer.
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Stephenson may end up in LA. Would be a good fit as Kobe can move to the 3.
 
Core4 said:
Cleveland still holding out hope of attracting Lebron. Reports say it's not 100% he signs with Miami, especially with Wade and Bosh not agreeing to their huge paycuts. Bird in the hand is worth the risk of Cavs deciding in 7 days to go after Hayward again and give him the MAX. If I'm DL I up my 'final' offer a bit and frontload the deal. Give him the MAX this season and then declining to better fit Jazz' financial needs. His contract could be $15,14,13,12 (avg of $13.5M). With the time value of money, that should be a solid offer. Add a 5th year if he wants. Or give him a player option in Year 3. That way he can opt out and get paid under the next classification of FA (7-9 years).
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Hayward is not worth 13.5 million let alone $15 million. Not now and Not ever. Lowry just signed for $12 a year and he is a better player than Hayward. Dude is an alpha dog.
 
billyshelby said:
What you said sounds exactly like the things fans of Arenas, Lewis, and Davis said to themselves on Day 1.

I could go into a longer diatribe, but as a general rule, MAX players are worth it from the jump, not guys you hope will play their way into MAX value. The irony is Arenas, Lewis, and Davis were all much more accomplished than Hayward before they signed their deals, and they failed. Joe Johnson was better than Hayward. Even Eric Gordon was better.

The market right now might say Hayward is a MAX player. But a smart GM will realize that the market tomorrow won't even as caps increase.
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Your entirely missing my point about the new CBA, Billy. It is just not as drastic of an error to "miss" on a max guy as it was under the old CBA.

Again, I DO NOT want to have Hayward at the max, but it is literally not possible for the contract to be an albatross because of the new CBA and the low risk (also low reward) of Hayward as a player.


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Bodhi said:
How do we trade a restricted free-agent if he demands too much money? He would have to agree to the trade, in essence going to the team he wants to go to. Not exactly check-mate.

If you're talking about the scenario where Hayward opts for the QO to become unrestricted next season, we'd get pennies on the dollar and he'd just go to whatever team he wants to in 12 months. Again, not really check-mate.
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Check mate was that he is no longer our problem. I never claimed we were going to get something for him. I agree with your scenarios on what might happen if we traded with a one year deal. However, we could ask Gordon who he wanted to go to and then try to make a deal for him. I am assuming that Gordon would ok an extension. Nevertheless, check mate was referencing that we didn't make the dumb mistake of overpaying him.
 
The Thriller said:
You people are idiots if you don't think Parsons is better than Hayward.

Unlike Hayward, parsons is a legit offensive weapon and 3 pt shooter. Teams actually have to defend him.

The slight edge Hayward has in length and defense is minimal and doesn't even come close to Parson's offense. My goodness people, did you even watch the playoffs? You can't win if you can't make 3 pt shots.

The mere fact that there's debate whether Hayward is a better player than ariza and parsons just shows how outrageous the max deal rumors are. None of then are even close to max players.

Karl Malone and John Stockton are Rollin in their graves at the thought of Hayward being a max player. My oh my how our standards have changed (and stupidly skyrocketed).
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Hi. Do you know that Karl and John are still alive? I think john wrote a book about how he is alive still pretty recently. And Karl Malone is still alive and hunting all rodent type in Louisiana.


Also, the rockets sucked in the playoffs. Can't remember for sure, but I don't think they made it to the one game where there are only two teams left in the league and they play each other to see who is better. The Super Bowl? I don't know how those things worked, but I don't remember seeing chandler parsons there shooting threes.
 
cowhide said:
Seemed pretty obvious. If Hayward demands too much money then trade him. Game over.
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Whoa. Hold on a second. They still have to play 82 games the same year they trade Hayward. And that is if they don't make the playoffs, which is a minimum of four games, iirc. Doesn't seem like game over to me. His poor ex teammates will have to play without him for the whole year, and that is just the first year! What about all the next ones? Doesn't sound like a check mate.
 
b_line said:
Hi. Do you know that Karl and John are still alive? I think john wrote a book about how he is alive still pretty recently. And Karl Malone is still alive and hunting all rodent type in Louisiana.


Also, the rockets sucked in the playoffs. Can't remember for sure, but I don't think they made it to the one game where there are only two teams left in the league and they play each other to see who is better. The Super Bowl? I don't know how those things worked, but I don't remember seeing chandler parsons there shooting threes.
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It was a joke.
 
Jazz and Gordon will agree to a contract. Teams are afraid to give Hayward a deal, Lowry just was paid. Utah will call Hayward, they will sit down and hammer out a 4 year 50 million dollar deal (or thereabouts). 14 year one, and down from there. You'll hear about it in a couple of days.

Everyone wins. Gordon gets paid, Utah has a cap friendly deal, etc.
 
green said:
Jazz and Gordon will agree to a contract. Teams are afraid to give Hayward a deal, Lowry just was paid. Utah will call Hayward, they will sit down and hammer out a 4 year 50 million dollar deal (or thereabouts). 14 year one, and down from there. You'll hear about it in a couple of days.

Everyone wins. Gordon gets paid, Utah has a cap friendly deal, etc.
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Welp, that settles it.

MODS, pls lock thread.


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