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Dante Exum everybody!

jjscap said:
No, I did not watch the SL match. Was Trey that bad? I don't care about SL matches but it's disappointing if he is out of shape. This year is big for him. That being said, I saw him play last year, he is a legit PG in the NBA already with that speed and heart. I believe he will be an all-star one day.
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I don't have doubts about him that he will fall out of shape. But he did look unready in the first game. Nontheless I think it was mainly because he doesn't take it too seriously and he doesn't have the real roster to assist. The most important thing was he looked like hacing trouble driving in, leaving his defender behind.

He does have a new hairstyle.
 
Doublea said:
The first game of summer league is over and here is Dante Exum. Discuss your favorite play! His potential! Anything!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kod-WZbeYFI
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One play, alone, from yesterday game shows how crazy good he can be. The play were he uses his speed, quickness and length to swipe the ball near the sideline and baseline, recover and steal it, side dribble it around the defender while doing a one step/drop step dunk. You do not see that from many players in the league, let alone PGs. Damn, son. Kid as so much potential to be a super star that Utah desperately needs.
 
Archie Moses said:
One play, alone, from yesterday game shows how crazy good he can be. The play were he uses his speed, quickness and length to swipe the ball near the sideline and baseline, recover and steal it, side dribble it around the defender while doing a one step/drop step dunk. You do not see that from many players in the league, let alone PGs. Damn, son. Kid as so much potential to be a super star that Utah desperately needs.
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Booner said it well, "he's really aggressive. ..".
 
Core4 said:
I wonder about the effectiveness of P3. I think the week(s) all these guys are there would be much better spent just working on shooting. Year after year, I'm just amazed that the Jazz can't hit anything past 10 ft. They're the worst collection of shooters I've ever seen. And it appears it's due to some kind of contagion. Clark goes from MVP last summer to just another clanker this summer.

The game was **** horrible to watch. A few good plays from Exum, some flashes by Gobert to get the Jazz back in the game. But just putrid offense and shooting otherwise.

Quin has a LOT of work to do. Let's hope he's the development guru Lindsey thinks he is.
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The Jazz do need to improve their jump shooting. They can do that all season and even when at P3. They cannot work on their athleticism and their strength during the season. This is the only time they can get that in and it is valuable. First and foremost the type of training P3 does prevents injuries and that alone is worth a lot. This training helps with lots of things and lots of studies agree in its value to a number of things for athletes. But the number one thing is preventing injuries and nothing will hinder a young player's career more than a major injury early.
 
My favorite play was the pass to malcom thomas. (When malcom thomas ran the floor and exum led him with the pass right to the hoop)

I dont think alot of point guards would have saw that pass opportunity developing (since thomas appeared to be covered.... by two dudes) and even if they did i think most would think it too risky of a pass..... and for most point guards it is too risky if a pass.
Exums length (and vision and IQ) makes passes like that available to him and those types of passes are what makes him special.
 
To me what makes exum special (and will be the difference between being good vs being a star) is his bbiq and court vision.

He is fast, quick, has a great first step, and is tall and long...... but so is alec burks (sorry in advance to those posters that hate how i always bring up burks)

Exum has a much higher bbiq and much better court vision though...... his vision and IQ is the reason he wont just be a taller barbosa imo.


Hopefully he has a great work ethic too but i think its too early to know if he does or not
 
This kid is gonna make Burke expendable in no time. I'd like to think Burke will eventually see the writing on the wall, accept a back up role (where he could be beyond valuable btw), and thrive. However, Burke is a warrior. He's not gonna accept a back up role until he bounces around a few teams.

We'll play them together for now but it's only a matter of time before Exum is running the PG spot with Neto backing him up. Lindsay has to start filling this team up with spot up shooters. Exum and Burks can slash to the rim at will and even Hayward can to a lesser extent. With a few shooters, the drive and kicks those 3 could create would be straight nasty yo!
 
After a day of processing what we saw last night I think it's evident that Exum has the "it" factor. The question is will it transfer over to the real NBA game. In FIBA Marcus Smart shut him down with physical play. Whether he can overcome that is up to him, but if he does the sky's the limit. All the tangibles and intangibles mentioned in this thread are there, it's all a question of whether or not he pushes it and improves. He has a leg up now, but he'll have to get better at everything. Once defenses start keying in on him, it's going to be rough.

In all, the things we saw in just that one game were are special. You can just see it. The stat line doesn't tell the whole story, although having the highest PER out of everyone in the game, PHI included, says something. I see more than flashes of greatness. CJ had flashes of being good, Exum has moments of potential greatness. We haven't seen that out of a guard on the Jazz, maybe never in a guy with his physical profile, ever. Ever.

I definitely getting ahead of myself. But I see something special, and basketball minds much more mature and extensive see the same.

We may have found that generation player. Maybe. And at least that is something.
 
jazzman12 said:
This kid is gonna make Burke expendable in no time. I'd like to think Burke will eventually see the writing on the wall, accept a back up role (where he could be beyond valuable btw), and thrive. However, Burke is a warrior. He's not gonna accept a back up role until he bounces around a few teams.

We'll play them together for now but it's only a matter of time before Exum is running the PG spot with Neto backing him up. Lindsay has to start filling this team up with spot up shooters. Exum and Burks can slash to the rim at will and even Hayward can to a lesser extent. With a few shooters, the drive and kicks those 3 could create would be straight nasty yo!
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Looking back at last year, and seeing how terrible the team was without a competent PG, I would much rather keep Burke. Even if they ultimately decide to start Exum at PG, I think that Trey could be invaluable running the offense and leading the team from the bench. He's a talented player and certainly is capable of starting in the NBA, but Exum looks like he's going to be special. The Jazz need to build around that. The fact is that they control Burke's right for the next several years. Whatever role they want for him, if the price is right. . . they should keep him.

If they choose to move him in favor of another All star, great. But don't get rid of him because he's going to lose his starting job to Dante Exum. Teams still need a solid bench and he's a young player with potential. You don't give that up until you have to.
 
Vermin said:
Speed and trey Burke should never be mentioned in the same sentence. And yes, he was that bad.
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I believe Trey is one of the quickest PGs in the league.
I did not watch his games with Michigan State, but when I started watching him in the Jazz uniform first thing that grabbed my attention was his speed.

So when you say speed should not be in the same sentence with Burke, I am very surprised.

I checked his pre-draft measurements, he run the 3/4 court at 3.16 seconds, faster than 90% of all NBA PGs now.
nbadraft.net ranks his quickness 8/10 --9+ extremely rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YWbYyto7h7Q#t=32

Check this too: [url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hQZ2SR7_yM#t=157[/url]

You got anything to back up your impression or it's another gut feeling?
 
My favorite plays.

1: @ 2:25 That speed and first step nuff said
2: @ 1:00 Great court vision with the lead pass
3: @ 1:15 See #1
4: @ 1:35 Even though it was a turnover on his part he stayed with it for a steal and dunk. You could see as he was going down the court it bothered him that he made that turnover.

Conclusion:
I'm VERY excited we have Exum. And am actually excited about this team. First time I've been this excited about the Jazz in a long time

Prediction:
Mid season Exum is going to be outplaying Burke and going to earn that starting point guard spot and have a starting lineup by all-star break of
PG-Exum
SG-Burks
SF-Hayward
PF-Favors
C-Kanter
(Possibly Hayward SG, Hood SF & Burks coming off bench)
Could see Burke turning into D-Will pt. 2. IMO from what I saw it seemed Trey wasn't too happy that Exum was a little more in the spotlight than him & Trey was getting too frustrated at other players on the court.
 
jjscap said:
I believe Trey is one of the quickest PGs in the league.
I did not watch his games with Michigan State, but when I started watching him in the Jazz uniform first thing that grabbed my attention was his speed.

So when you say speed should not be in the same sentence with Burke, I am very surprised.

I checked his pre-draft measurements, he run the 3/4 court at 3.16 seconds, faster than 90% of all NBA PGs now.
nbadraft.net ranks his quickness 8/10 --9+ extremely rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YWbYyto7h7Q#t=32

Check this too: [url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hQZ2SR7_yM#t=157[/url]



You got anything to back up your impression or it's another gut feeling?
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Not only did you not see him play at Michigan st( he played at Michigan btw), but you obviously did not see him much witht the Jazz. He has speed to get by one guy, but severely lacks close out speed. Will never get by second or third defender. This is why a tear drop runner will be necessary for him to be successful in the league.
 
jjscap said:
I believe Trey is one of the quickest PGs in the league.
I did not watch his games with Michigan State, but when I started watching him in the Jazz uniform first thing that grabbed my attention was his speed.

So when you say speed should not be in the same sentence with Burke, I am very surprised.

I checked his pre-draft measurements, he run the 3/4 court at 3.16 seconds, faster than 90% of all NBA PGs now.
nbadraft.net ranks his quickness 8/10 --9+ extremely rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YWbYyto7h7Q#t=32

Check this too: [url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hQZ2SR7_yM#t=157[/url]

You got anything to back up your impression or it's another gut feeling?
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Those of us, myself included, who think Burke has no quickness aren't worried about his full-court speed because let's be honest, he can't finish on the break anyway. I jest, I jest. Anyway, what we concern ourselves with are his first two to four steps. He simply can't get by his defender and on the very rare occasion that he does, he gets denied or is unable to finish at the rim.
 
Ellis269 said:
Looking back at last year, and seeing how terrible the team was without a competent PG, I would much rather keep Burke. Even if they ultimately decide to start Exum at PG, I think that Trey could be invaluable running the offense and leading the team from the bench. He's a talented player and certainly is capable of starting in the NBA, but Exum looks like he's going to be special. The Jazz need to build around that. The fact is that they control Burke's right for the next several years. Whatever role they want for him, if the price is right. . . they should keep him.

If they choose to move him in favor of another All star, great. But don't get rid of him because he's going to lose his starting job to Dante Exum. Teams still need a solid bench and he's a young player with potential. You don't give that up until you have to.
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In theory, there's nothing wrong with your plan. However, good luck convincing Trey that he is a bench player and will be paid as such in his next contract.
 
jazzman12 said:
In theory, there's nothing wrong with your plan. However, good luck convincing Trey that he is a bench player and will be paid as such in his next contract.
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Just like with Hayward, his contract situation is out of his hands. He can demand a trade, but unless the Jazz get an offer that makes sense, there's not a whole lot that he can do about it. Theoretically, he could negotiate a contract that the Jazz wouldn't want to match as a RFA (three years from now), but the Jazz might decide he's valuable at whatever contract offer he gets and keep him. I have a hard time seeing his stay the starter in Utah. . . and as such, I don't see him getting a big contract down he road. The free agency market will determine his value and the Jazz can decide if he's worth that much to them.
 
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