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Deron is coming back to Utah.

On another note, Tony Parker is showing what an elite PG can do with a cast of above average players. Add a shooter to the Jazz, and the Jazz are a younger version of an older Spurs.
 
How about this line up

Deron/ Tinsley/Watson
Hayward/ Burks
Millsap/Evans
Favors/ Kanter
Davis/ Kanter

If I were GM I would have made that happen by beginning of next Season.
 
Gail Miller has no business owning a team if she would flat out refuse to sign Deron because her feelings got hurt. But we have her to thank for that Memo extension, I'm sure, and that worked out so well.

And before anyone says anything about hindsight, if the board wouldn't have crashed, there'd be a huge thread where I look like Nostradamus regarding that foolish extension.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Gail Miller has no business owning a team if she would flat out refuse to sign Deron because her feelings got hurt. But we have her to thank for that Memo extension, I'm sure, and that worked out so well.

And before anyone says anything about hindsight, if the board wouldn't have crashed, there'd be a huge thread where I look like Nostradamus regarding that foolish extension.
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Consensus around the league at the time was it was another great move by KOC to lock Okur up with that extension.. It's really his injury that F***ed us up.
 
GMs think differently from us. KOC probably saw Okur as an asset with value that the Jazz could hold. Think of the GM as managing the player equity of the team. Even if Memo was not in the team's longer term plans, he still had value as a rotation player and trade chip. KOC then did unload him for a TPE that can be exchanged for a player of equal value.
 
Catchall said:
GMs think differently from us. KOC probably saw Okur as an asset with value that the Jazz could hold. Think of the GM as managing the player equity of the team. Even if Memo was not in the team's longer term plans, he still had value as a rotation player and trade chip. KOC then did unload him for a TPE that can be exchanged for a player of equal value.
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YES YES and.... YES!
 
BluesRocker said:
How about this line up

Deron/ Tinsley/Watson
Hayward/ Burks
Millsap/Evans
Favors/ Kanter
Davis/ Kanter

If I were GM I would have made that happen by beginning of next Season.
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Here is a trade idea for that would work:

Jazz trade:

Al Jefferson, Devin Harris, and the 8th pick (if we get it)

Team that gets the #1 pick (Charlotte) trades:

#1 pick

The trade works because the Bobcats and Jazz are both under the Salary Cap. We then draft Anthony Davis #1 and sign Deron Williams because we will be far enough under the salary cap to offer him max money. Charlotte is going to need way more than Anthony Davis to return to respectability. Harris, Jefferson, and the #8 pick would be a good start for them.
 
Matthew Thomas Castleton said:
Here is a trade idea for that would work:

Jazz trade:

Al Jefferson, Devin Harris, and the 8th pick (if we get it)

Team that gets the #1 pick (Charlotte) trades:

#1 pick

The trade works because the Bobcats and Jazz are both under the Salary Cap. We then draft Anthony Davis #1 and sign Deron Williams because we will be far enough under the salary cap to offer him max money. Charlotte is going to need way more than Anthony Davis to return to respectability. Harris, Jefferson, and the #8 pick would be a good start for them.
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Although any normal GM would laugh at this trade...we're dealing with Michael Jordan here, so maybe there's a chance. We'd actually save MJ from hurting himself and selecting another bust like Kwame Brown or that Scoobie Doo Shaggy guy from Gonzaga.
 
Catchall said:
GMs think differently from us. KOC probably saw Okur as an asset with value that the Jazz could hold. Think of the GM as managing the player equity of the team. Even if Memo was not in the team's longer term plans, he still had value as a rotation player and trade chip. KOC then did unload him for a TPE that can be exchanged for a player of equal value.
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...I think this is giving KOC a little too much credit. Yes, he did still have some value as a rotation player (albeit at a serious risk of injury). But at $21m for 2 years? And I doubt GMs frequently re-sign players with the intention of trading them for a TPE.

I thought that extension was a trainwreck when it was signed.
 
bigmike said:
...I think this is giving KOC a little too much credit. Yes, he did still have some value as a rotation player (albeit at a serious risk of injury). But at $21m for 2 years? And I doubt GMs frequently re-sign players with the intention of trading them for a TPE.

I thought that extension was a trainwreck when it was signed.
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There is a reason we're all there 'talking about it' while KOC is out there actually 'doing it'.

Just sayin'
 
Hotttnickkk said:
There is a reason we're all there 'talking about it' while KOC is out there actually 'doing it'.

Just sayin'
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Oh, Don't go there. That's so lame. I hate when people pull that card.

There are so many factors that go into being a GM, and only so many people can be one. Circumstances have to be right too. So just because he is the GM and we arent doesn't mean that he knows better than any of us. It's also like saying we just shouldn't even talk about it. So what should we be talking about then?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Gail Miller has no business owning a team if she would flat out refuse to sign Deron because her feelings got hurt. But we have her to thank for that Memo extension, I'm sure, and that worked out so well.

And before anyone says anything about hindsight, if the board wouldn't have crashed, there'd be a huge thread where I look like Nostradamus regarding that foolish extension.
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I'm not exactly sure how things played out, but from what I've heard, players on the team said that they were pretty shocked at how Deron treated management/coaches. They (players) said that they've never seen anyone talk to people in authority that way. I guess his treatment of Sloan was the worst. Anyways, I'm not sure how Gail fits into the picture, but I don't get why if she did "flat out refuse to sign Deron" that she would be looked at in a negative light.
 
Maybe I can offer some perspective. I am a big time Memo homer and a proud KOC homer.

The Memo extension was RIDICULOUS.

Memo was coming off one of his best years. He scored 40+ in a game and set an NBA record for 3pt shooting in the month of February (better than Jeff Hornacek, Ray Allen and Reggie Miller. He was having a great year.)

That being said, he was getting older. Why would you pay him more when his game was going to decline!???? It makes no sense to me why the NBA designs contracts that way. Why does Kobe Bryant make more money now that he's older and slower and less dominant?! WHY!!!!!!!

I was happy to hear that KOC extended Memo's contract, but I had no clue why he was offering so much money. Why not offer him $9 million and then $8 million??? or 8 and then 7???
 
JFFR said:
It makes no sense to me why the NBA designs contracts that way. Why does Kobe Bryant make more money now that he's older and slower and less dominant?! WHY!!!!!!!
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Oh, that's easy. Because his name puts butts in seats. If the Lakers didn't pay him big money, someone else would.
 
Who wants to come back into fantasy land with me, and talk about how Deron and Klay Thompson are going to end up in Utah?

Here is my compromise for all you people who believe that Burks is the next Wade. All this depends on Utah getting GS's lottery pick.

Utah trades GS pick plus next year's #1 and Bell for Thompson and GS's next year's #1.
 
green said:
Who wants to come back into fantasy land with me, and talk about how Deron and Klay Thompson are going to end up in Utah?

Here is my compromise for all you people who believe that Burks is the next Wade. All this depends on Utah getting GS's lottery pick.

Utah trades GS pick plus next year's #1 and Bell for Thompson and GS's next year's #1.
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No way GSW does this. Thompson is their only beacon of light this season and to them he's as good a player as last year's #5 pick. I think he's akin to the Jazz and Hayward, in other words, untouchable.
 
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