Derrick Favors being on the bench didn't lose us this game, our starting 1-3 did.

[Sandy Braille]

So wait, our starting 1-3 lost the game, and yet we're supposed to believe that Favors had a hand in how bad the unit played? Are you ****ing high?

Nope. Favors had a stellar game. I'm saying to the posters that said 'Favors would have stopped their dribble penetration' that it simply wasn't the case in the 3rd.


Regardless. Favors had an amazing game. I was particularly happy that this happened after the Kanter game last night. These kids are growing up so fast, and it is painfully evident how much more grown and composed they are since the beginning of this season. Favors was making moves on the offensive end consistently, and avoiding foul trouble. Kanter was playing BONKERS in the 4th. Millsap was bailing out our team by going to the free throw line consistently. Both essentially went on a net 13-0 run to close the game out, until Jennings hit the three to send it to OT. It was a great coaching move by T, and unfortunate that it came at the expense of Favors's great night.

I understand the "Ty is a hypocrite and would have subbed in Jefferson no matter what" posts, and agree with them. In those games, if Kanter or Favors are playing at this level, and Al subs in, I will be furious. But for now, sticking with the hot hand worked, and help us go to OT against a fairly hot team in their home court, where they hit several contested outside shots to pull a victory. I will accept this loss, as I imagine the Jazz will as well.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Hard to imagine what a guy who got 23/15 in 3 quarters would have helped with.

What, points and rebounds? Because we had more than enough of both (enough to close a 10 point end of 3rd gap after all). We KILLED them on the offensive glass as well.

Our defense was also good enough to gain 13 points on them by the end of the quarter. We were getting several stops.

This game was lost on the 1st and 3rd quarters when our backcourt collectively laid eggs. Not because Favors wasn't in the 4th. His contributions were essentially matched by Kanter (he dropped 12 and 7 in the 4th [almost as good as Favors's 1st quarter], only against more intense defense.

 

[Hartsock]

It was Corbins fault. Favors should have been in 4th q with Kanter, but Corbin doesnt have the cojones to bench a veteran

Why? Millsap played really well and gave the Jazz an offensive threat. Favors is all putbacks and putbacks. Kanter was handling those duties pretty well. Like it or not Favors has a pretty elementary offensive game and it was nice to have 2 bigs who could score off something other than rebounding his own miss. I can't see how putting Favors in wins the Jazz the game.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Why? Millsap played really well and gave the Jazz an offensive threat. Favors is all putbacks and putbacks. Kanter was handling those duties pretty well. Like it or not Favors has a pretty elementary offensive game and it was nice to have 2 bigs who could score off something other than rebounding his own miss. I can't see how putting Favors in wins the Jazz the game.

This wasn't entirely true last night. Favors was getting points in many other ways as well. But yes, you're right in that putting Favors in would not have won us this game, as Kanter and Millsap were equalling his 3 quarter performance in my opinion.

 

[Hartsock]

This wasn't entirely true last night. Favors was getting points in many other ways as well. But yes, you're right in that putting Favors in would not have won us this game, as Kanter and Millsap were equalling his 3 quarter performance in my opinion.

I dont remember him having more than one or two buckets that weren't put backs or put backs off his own misses, I think he hit a 15 footer and had 1 hook shot. I could be wrong but those are the only 2 I remember that weren't basically hustle buckets.

 

[UGLI baby]

Braille, Braille'ing up this thread.

 

[green]

Ty Corbin is an idiot. Not because of the 4th quarter and overtime, but because his starting lineup hasn't changed.

If you stick with Burks, Hayward, Carroll, Millsap and Kanter in the 4th and OT, WHY THE HELL AREN'T THEY YOUR STARTERS?

If we had a healthy Mo last night and had this lineup in the 4th, we win easy:

Mo
Burks
Hayward
Millsap
Kanter

 

[addictionary]

Derrick Favors being on the bench didn't lose us this game, our starting 1-3 did.

Yeap. But it can make us lose Favors. I didn't like his face when he sit. I hope Ty makes it up to him.

 

[fishonjazz]

Why? Millsap played really well and gave the Jazz an offensive threat. Favors is all putbacks and putbacks. Kanter was handling those duties pretty well. Like it or not Favors has a pretty elementary offensive game and it was nice to have 2 bigs who could score off something other than rebounding his own miss. I can't see how putting Favors in wins the Jazz the game.

Favors was better offensively than millsap last night.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Yeap. But it can make us lose Favors. I didn't like his face when he sit. I hope Ty makes it up to him.

Exactly how are we going to lose Favors?

 

[fishonjazz]

Exactly how are we going to lose Favors?

Either in free agency, or he demands a trade....... the same ways you loose any player.

And i know the jazz can match any offer in free agency, but wouldn't you rather have a happy favors who wants to be with the jazz that would maybe be more open to discussions on his new contract? Instead of favors and his agent pissed off and trying to get teams to offer toxic contracts that utah will be reluctant to match.

And then even if we do match, favors could pull a dwight, carmelo, vince carter situation and sulk and become a cancer to the team until he gets traded.
I dont think he would do that, but why take the chance by pissing him off. (he definately looked unhappy last night, and rightly so)

 

[Hartsock]

Exactly how are we going to lose Favors?

I dont think having his feelings hurt 1 game is going to influence him in 2 years, but what the hell do I know.

 

[Hartsock]

Favors was better offensively than millsap last night.

Ummmm, kind of, he has a very raw offensive game so 90% of his points are putbacks or wide open dunks, with the occasional 15 footer or hook shot thrown in. I would not have felt comfortable at all giving Favors the ball at the end of the game, totally comfortable with Sap and pretty comfortable with Kanter. I have almost 0 confidence in Favors getting the ball in the post and making a move to score, especially in crunch time.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ummmm, kind of, he has a very raw offensive game so 90% of his points are putbacks or wide open dunks, with the occasional 15 footer or hook shot thrown in. I would not have felt comfortable at all giving Favors the ball at the end of the game, totally comfortable with Sap and pretty comfortable with Kanter. I have almost 0 confidence in Favors getting the ball in the post and making a move to score, especially in crunch time.

At the end of the game, the bucks made an adjustment and put sanders on millsap, but having millsap (the vet) in the game means that corbin will run every play through him and i remember quite a few times when millsap bulled into sanders and sanders shut him down. (one time sap got stuffed and kanter was there to collect the ball for a putback, and another time millsap got stuffed and carroll was there for the putback. Then the air balled 3, and missed free throw). Basically millsap chocked at the very end of the game. (maybe he was tired)

If favors is in then corbin doesn't have as much faith in him offensively so the ball doesn't stick and keeps moving wich means carroll, burks, and kanter could have gotten more shots against more favorable matchups.
Millsap against sanders is worse than: burks against jennings (burks was torching jennings on offense) Carroll against reddick (carroll was on fire last night and redick is undersized to guard carroll) or kanter against illyasova (kanter could just back illyasova down and score on him or force the bucks to double and leave someone open)....... hell i think favors MIGHT even be better agains sanders. (he was destroying sanders up until the 4th quarter when he was benched)

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Either in free agency, or he demands a trade....... the same ways you loose any player.

And i know the jazz can match any offer in free agency, but wouldn't you rather have a happy favors who wants to be with the jazz that would maybe be more open to discussions on his new contract? Instead of favors and his agent pissed off and trying to get teams to offer toxic contracts that utah will be reluctant to match.

And then even if we do match, favors could pull a dwight, carmelo, vince carter situation and sulk and become a cancer to the team until he gets traded.
I dont think he would do that, but why take the chance by pissing him off. (he definately looked unhappy last night, and rightly so)

I want all the kids to be happy, but that doesn`t mean that they should be able to bitch and get everything they want. And, you mention Dwight, a player that has gotten everything he wanted throughout his career, and still he is being a total prick. Maybe treating the kids as the second comings of Christ is not the way to go?

And, most of you guys keep on stating that Corbin is destroying our kids. If that was the case, how come they all are playing magnificent at the moment?

 

[fishonjazz]

I want all the kids to be happy, but that doesn`t mean that they should be able to bitch and get everything they want. And, you mention Dwight, a player that has gotten everything he wanted throughout his career, and still he is being a total prick. Maybe treating the kids as the second comings of Christ is not the way to go?

And, most of you guys keep on stating that Corbin is destroying our kids. If that was the case, how come they all are playing magnificent at the moment?

I said in my post that i dont think favors would do that.... but why risk it when he seems to be so talented?
Another thing is that maybe favors wont want to be like dwight, carmello, and vince, but maybe his agent will be an ******* for favors, even while favors never bitches or complains.

 

[Hartsock]

At the end of the game, the bucks made an adjustment and put sanders on millsap, but having millsap (the vet) in the game means that corbin will run every play through him and i remember quite a few times when millsap bulled into sanders and sanders shut him down. (one time sap got stuffed and kanter was there to collect the ball for a putback, and another time millsap got stuffed and carroll was there for the putback. Then the air balled 3, and missed free throw). Basically millsap chocked at the very end of the game. (maybe he was tired)

If favors is in then corbin doesn't have as much faith in him offensively so the ball doesn't stick and keeps moving wich means carroll, burks, and kanter could have gotten more shots against more favorable matchups.
Millsap against sanders is worse than: burks against jennings (burks was torching jennings on offense) Carroll against reddick (carroll was on fire last night and redick is undersized to guard carroll) or kanter against illyasova (kanter could just back illyasova down and score on him or force the bucks to double and leave someone open)....... hell i think favors MIGHT even be better agains sanders. (he was destroying sanders up until the 4th quarter when he was benched)

I dont know if I put my faith in Burks and Carrol taking shots at the end of the game, Millsap did struggle a few times against Sanders but I am still more confident in him with the ball in that situation than Favors, No way Kanter can guard Illyasova, not a chance. I see what you are saying I guess I just don't think Favors would have made a positive difference. But I could definitely be wrong. Only L Ron Hubbard really knows.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

I said in my post that i dont think favors would do that.... but why risk it when he seems to be so talented?
Another thing is that maybe favors wont want to be like dwight, carmello, and vince, but maybe his agent will be an ******* for favors, even while favors never bitches or complains.

The only thing his agent wants for his client, is a contract as close to the max as possible after next year. If Favors shows that he is worth it next year, he`ll get that contract somewhere. That`s really all there is too it.

And, again, you are bringing up players who all were treated like primadonnas and it backfired on their teams. What makes you think that this is the right way to go?

 

[Hedda Gambler]

I see what you are saying I guess I just don't think Favors would have made a positive difference. But I could definitely be wrong. Only L Ron Hubbard really knows.

Lol. I think Dutchjazzer would have to disagree with you.

 

[larryselbows]

Either in free agency, or he demands a trade....... the same ways you loose any player.

And i know the jazz can match any offer in free agency, but wouldn't you rather have a happy favors who wants to be with the jazz that would maybe be more open to discussions on his new contract? Instead of favors and his agent pissed off and trying to get teams to offer toxic contracts that utah will be reluctant to match.

And then even if we do match, favors could pull a dwight, carmelo, vince carter situation and sulk and become a cancer to the team until he gets traded.
I dont think he would do that, but why take the chance by pissing him off. (he definately looked unhappy last night, and rightly so)

I hope that is not the case. Although it never ceases to amaze me the level of entitlement NBA players feel they deserve. The Jazz are paying Favors millions of dollars a year to play basketball. He is the obvious heir apparent as our franchise player. He has several years of fantastic games ahead of him where I am sure he will carve out a great career, and he leaves us because he was understandably benched for someone else that was bringing us back into the game? I actually somewhat understand what Corbin is trying to do in teaching the young players appreciation for playing time and shots. I hope he doesn't leave, but I am optimistic because the Jazz have developed him slowly to avoid a lack of appreciation and narcissistic tendencies that tend to destroy teams.