Do the Jazz abandon "the process" this summer?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think Clarkson would even sign with Utah, he hangs out with Kardashians and that ish. He likes the Hollywood lifestyle too much.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I tend to agree with PGAB on this. I don't think Harrison Barnes is the only viable option, but he is certainly one of them--and one that is actually realistic.

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Realistic, yeah, but I'd hate it. He's a role player, nothing more. You can't pay him the max.


He's a guy who's not elite at anything. Pretty decent shooter, but can't create his own shot. Doesn't play to his athleticism. Pretty decent defender, but can't lock anybody down. Does not create shots for others. I just think maxing him is dumb.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Honestly, I think we need to trade one of Gobert/Favors or bring one off the bench. They don't play that well together.

We also need to revamp our offense. Pick up the pace, quit passing just to say you made a pass, and learn how to execute a fastbreak. We aren't going anywhere unless Snyder learns how to run an offense.

 

[JimLes]

Zero progress?? you can't be serious..

You can't be serious trying to argue this. Philly are in a pretty bad situation, all things considered. They have maybe 2 pieces right now. Noel and Okafor. You might argue about Embiid, but I'm not sure he'll ever play a game in the NBA. Even if he does, how much do you really expect from his at this point. Okafor is a bit of a head case so far, and that really leaves Noel as the one guy on this team that you'd actually be willing to bet on being a good player down the road. He may become a perennial DPOY candidate in 4-5 years, but he's going to be a free agent this time next year. Why the hell would he stay in Philly when say, Duncan will probably be retiring then and the Spurs will have both money to throw at him and a starting centre spot free? And you can replace the Spurs here with 3-4 other quality teams.

The whole Philly plan was doomed from the start for two simple reasons. One of them is that you can't sign rookies to ten year contracts. The other one is that playing on a 10-win team may not be as good for a player's development as you'd think.

 

[JimLes]

We also need to revamp our offense. Pick up the pace,

This. We have a very young team, we have several athletic players, and yet we play at a similar pace to the late '90s Jazz.

I mean, how ridiculous was it for the Jazz to be playing the Mavs with the whole season on the line and trying to slow the pace down against a team whose starters' average age is 32.5?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Philly has made progress in asset collection for sure. They had zero things to start with... Had mortgaged part of their future for Bynum which wasn't good.

That said they were completely flawed in trying to build a team. Can't keep drafting centers or limited front court players because they are the best players on the board. Can't ignore free agency and can't ignore the fact that players are people not robots. This isn't a mathematical equation... You need the right personalities and right leaders.

 

[JimLes]

No I completely disagree, Philly's rebuild is going swimmingly, they've got what 35million coming off the books??

Who are they going to sign with that money? What free agents, in a market with so much cap space and money, will bend over backwards to sign with Philly?

They'll definitely bring back McConnell, Covington, Stauskas, Grant.. It's said Saric will come over for next season, they can completely reshape their team, and they've still got a trove of draft picks moving forward..

Those 4 players listed are all utter garbage. Hence Philly going 10-72 and starting the season 1-30. Being a 2-year starter on this Sixers team is in no way indication of any quality. Hell, it's not even indication that you're capable of being a roster player on any other NBA team. Saric is a PF, so the question becomes how you're going to accommodate him, Okafor, Noel and Embiid if he's healthy. Never mind that we know nothing of Saric's ability to contribute on the NBA level. Or Embiid's, for that matter.

Have you seen Embiid's pregame shoot arounds from this season??

Have you seen my pregame shootarounds? I look awesome without someone guarding me, too. And without having to play 40 minutes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Our "process" was always a bit flawed on the fringes. When we needed to go super young and lose more games we stuck with vets and playing Al and others too much. Last year when we were moving up and had seen some of the team needs we didn't acquire some vets to help. Seems small but that stuff needs to go right to build a contender.

I do think this team can be really good and we've done some good things but we haven't had the lucky lotto balls or made the big trade or FA acquisition that jump starts us. We've nailed the late first round picks which is really positive.

As far as giving up the process... We will acquire a free agent or vet through trade because we almost have to... We have to spend a lot to get to the floor. I don't see that as abandoning the process. I also think we don't do an about face and make a bunch of win now moves.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Who are they going to sign with that money? What free agents, in a market with so much cap space and money, will bend over backwards to sign with Philly?




Those 4 players listed are all utter garbage. Hence Philly going 10-72 and starting the season 1-30. Being a 2-year starter on this Sixers team is in no way indication of any quality. Hell, it's not even indication that you're capable of being a roster player on any other NBA team. Saric is a PF, so the question becomes how you're going to accommodate him, Okafor, Noel and Embiid if he's healthy. Never mind that we know nothing of Saric's ability to contribute on the NBA level. Or Embiid's, for that matter.



Have you seen my pregame shootarounds? I look awesome without someone guarding me, too. And without having to play 40 minutes.

That's funny. I've always said that if you watch me in open gym you'd think I played college ball. I make 70-80% on NBA threes shooting by myself. There is just a little difference when games start.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Most NBA players can make open shots without somebody guarding them. Hell, Shaq was a good FT shooter in practices. None of that matters til the game starts.

 

[Jamezz]

Wow?!?! More then a little puzzled by this. In the scenario that we sign him to a max deal, do u have him starting or coming off the bench? Who does he start over, or u really want the Jazz to pay max money to a bench player?

I'd rather not spent huge money till I see how Exum plays this coming year.

I agree that Exum is the key in this whole process but if a good deal comes up this offseason you pull the trigger.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

We've got to look to upgrade CJ, Ingles and Booker. In that order.

I'm quite alright with getting someone instead of Mack as well. Mack wont get it done against he elite teams.
He is not the answer.

I think mack is a solid back up and would add a steady influence to the second unit.

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[mellow]

No I completely disagree, Philly's rebuild is going swimmingly, they've got what 35million coming off the books??

If Vegas lowballs their win total next season I'll bet it big.

They'll definitely bring back McConnell, Covington, Stauskas, Grant.. It's said Saric will come over for next season, they can completely reshape their team, and they've still got a trove of draft picks moving forward..

Have you seen Embiid's pregame shoot arounds from this season?? That dude is going to be a major factor if he can stay injury free and I've read all the minutiae about his foot I think he'll be fine.

In addition they have a great chance at 2 top 5 picks in this draft.

Too bad for Hinkie Commissioner Silver forced him out, and pushed Collangello in, just as Hinkie's plan was ready to turn the corner.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In addition they have a great chance at 2 top 5 picks in this draft.

Too bad for Hinkie Commissioner Silver forced him out, and pushed Collangello in, just as Hinkie's plan was ready to turn the corner.

He made mistakes for sure... Don't feel bad for him. He was a smug ******* and wouldn't talk to the media. He also needed to do something in free agency and really overlooked that.

That said... He did well in trades and gave them a ton of prospects. Should have built more of a team and cared a little about public perception. He's a good assistant to the GM but not sure if want him running the show

 

[Diamond77]

We've got to look to upgrade CJ, Ingles and Booker. In that order.

I'm quite alright with getting someone instead of Mack as well. Mack wont get it done against he elite teams.
He is not the answer.

I would add Mack in that list too, he doesn't have a high ceiling.

I would rely on Neto as a backup point guard if they don't plan to take a veteran pg. Neto showed good things in his rookie season, I think he has still room for improvement.

 

[silesian]

My question is inspired by 2 things:

1. Philly abandoned the process before seeing it through do to lack of playoff appearances

2. This article makes a case for the Jazz standing pat: https://www.ksl.com/?sid=39406769&n...sponse-from-jazz-despite-disappointing-season

So let me as you this, do the Jazz abandon the process, or do can they add talent while abiding by the process?

I live in Philly and the "process" in Philly is very different from Utah. Hinkie's problems were not how he accumulated assets, they were more communication with colleagues, agents, fans. They are going to be very good in 3+ years due to incoming talent. It will be a Minnesota-Philly world in 2019. Hope the Jazz are there with them.

 

[silesian]

can they add talent while abiding by the process?

Yes. The tactics change as you progress through the process. The strategy remains the same. At the end of the process, you have a strong core of players at their peak and you build around them with complementary vets.

 

[homeytennis]

Yes. The tactics change as you progress through the process. The strategy remains the same. At the end of the process, you have a strong core of players at their peak and you build around them with complementary vets.

I would dangle Mack and Hayward as a package to the Celtics to see what kind of value we could get back.

 

[akirac73]

Maxxing Harrison Barnes is the move.. That'd IMO be adding talent while abiding by the process

I totally don't get this...So basically you're advocating spending money for the sake of spending money simply because we have a lot of it? I honestly think Lyles will be better than Barnes anyway...

 

[akirac73]

No It makes the team better, he helps the overall quality of the offense, look at the 3pt shot totals this season, Trey Burke took the 3rd most, Chris Johnson Ingles and Booker combined to shoot 350 threes!!

With Barnes the 3pt shooting would be much better.. .. ..

Add him in with most any lineup you can't either SF or PF and he adds to the floor spacing..

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He'll provide our players with more room to work with just by standing at the 3pt line.. He plays SF next to Lyles.. they aren't redundant whatsoever...

He's a high-quality rotation player.. Very low risk player IMO. His shot is pure and he's young, high-character and healthy, and about to enter his prime.. and like I said before still tradable at that salary

How you're proposing we use Barnes is fine, but you don't max a player like this. We desperately need a star caliber player, we have enough above-average role players...our entire current roster is made up of them. I just think it's a complete waste of money that could be better spent some other way. Maybe used to take on some ****ty short term contracts via trade as a means to get a star player on the team.