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Donovan.....side-steps again

Oneye is a bit overboard and obsessive, but he is right about a lot of things

*And to be clear I'm not against activism and I'm one of the more left posters on the site. I like that Don does that*
 
What was the question?

Is it how bad does Donovan suck today?

'cause you can shove your repetitive stupid **** up your own ***, mine is closed at the moment.
...at the moment. Noted.
 
Imagine a girl in relationship with oneye. "You re going to leave me for a guy with a bigger dick" - "I love you, I am happy" - "You re avoiding the answer" - "What else I can say.." - "You're too sexy, you will dump me, don't give me that passive aggressive look" - becomes sadly silent - "bitch!"..
 
Imagine a girl in relationship with oneye. "You re going to leave me for a guy with a bigger dick" - "I love you, I am happy" - "You re avoiding the answer" - "What else I can say.." - "You're too sexy, you will dump me, don't give me that passive aggressive look" - becomes sadly silent - "bitch!"..
There is no bigger dick than oneye.
 
*Rudy carried a team that was 19-28 in January (and non-playoff team) to one of the best regular season finishes ever when he came back from injury……is what I think you meant to say.

As for being liked, yes he’s so liked by his peers in player voting he came in 9th in the west for guards in votes from players in All Star voting, lower than he finished with media or even fans. As for it being for show. Spence Checketts today: “I’ve been told Donovan’s kind of a robot, CAA tells him what to say and he goes out there and says it.” So yes when Hayward left, a kid who grew up inside the Mets organization and was tailored for professional sports with CAA writing the script new exactly what to say those first couple years…..funny he won’t say any of that anymore.

As for racist, let me be very clear, I support much of the causes he stands for, but people disagreeing on certain things with him doesn’t make them a racist. He is not an all knowing being. He ain’t God, and frankly in this podcast when he’s sitting there acting like he’s dropping knowledge and some are just too resistant or dumb (or “racist”) to get it is frankly disgusting as well. We gotta throw a label on anyone who thinks differently than us these days and “racist” and “socialist” seem to be the easiest stones to throw. A lot of people need to grow the **** up when discussing serious issues, of which this and basketball is not.

So do tell me, when we made it no farther than the 2nd round when this iteration of the Jazz is done what exactly did we gain from it? We’d have been better off in a rebuild than kicking it down the road 5 years and making the 2nd round once. He has and will accomplish no more here than Hayward and will bounce sooner.
Good post. I disagree with some, but at least you are finally coherent and reasonable. When did Spencer Checketts say that?

Well said about racism and socialism. It seems like all arguments die with either a claim of socialism, racism, wokism, or virtue signaling.

-Edit- I found it. Tim McMahon for 2/15. It’s a pretty good interview. I’m not going to lump Don in with James Harden yet. If Don forces a trade to the Knicks we’ll clearly be able to see that all his championship talk is a lie (no way they win a championship in NY!)

My take away from Don’s interview yesterday was that he can coexist with Rudy and he made no long term commitments to the Jazz.

It makes sense that players are told to say “Championship blah blah blah I want a championship blah blah blah. Championship!” That is music to the fans ears. Meanwhile… as a normal human being… I’d prefer $100 million over a championship ring. NBA players are more competitive than me, so maybe they’d take the ring over an extra $100 million, but this guys are rare.
 
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So yeah, of course Donovan is leaving no later than the end of his current contract, and of course he does certain things in the name of branding and PR. Of course a kid from NYC that cares deeply about social justice issues isn’t going to stay in Utah for his entire career. Advocating for social justice issues in Utah with its dumbass politics is the equivalent of screaming into a void.

None of these facts make any of these threads any less ****ing weird.

The Jazz players are not my friends, we don’t know each other, would probably never hang out, and probably have nothing in common other than liking basketball. I don’t feel an emotional connection positive or negative to people I don’t know. This is purely transactional, and I will enjoy all Jazz players so long as they are here and contribute to Jazz winning. I will celebrate their successes and gripe about their failures. Couldn’t care less about the personal drama and personalities of the players.

I guess the exception to the above is I do feel empathy for guys that get injured (like Joe), but I don’t feel like I lost a family member or anything like some here did when he was traded. Perhaps I am a bad person, but this is just a fun hobby.

These guys are all lines in a stat sheet to me in the same sense I am a line in a spreadsheet to my employer. Where the hell do you people find the energy to worship these people on the one hand or call them bitch *** divas on the other?

EDIT: and let’s be clear — I am not at all a “shut up and dribble” person. I think it’s great when players use their platform to speak out for causes they believe in. But that in no way impacts my enjoyment of the player when they lace ‘em up and step on the court. That I agree with Donovan Mitchell’s advocacy and disagree with John Stockton’s advocacy has affected my esteem for each as human beings, but it has in no way affected my esteem for either as Utah Jazz players. I hope that makes sense.
 
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Oneye is a bit overboard and obsessive, but he is right about a lot of things

*And to be clear I'm not against activism and I'm one of the more left posters on the site. I like that Don does that*

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I like how you pretend and twist that answering this question adequately in the way it was asked was hard or something, it wasn’t, and he refused to do it.
Living in reality, 'I'm happy' is an answer to 'Are you happy in Utah?'. Reality doesn't need magic word.

PS I’d approve if so Rudy.
You approve of one player sabotaging the PR of another player? OK. I think that ends this conversation for me.
 
I don't understand personally disliking any current Jazz player. I think they are all good people from what I can tell.

Sure I might not like a contract, a trade that got them here or maybe their fit, but all these Jazzmen are good people. No need for personal attacks based off an unsubstantiated feeling one here might have.

This negativity is toxic.

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I don't understand personally disliking any current Jazz player. I think they are all good people from what I can tell.

Sure I might not like a contract, a trade that got them here or maybe their fit, but all these Jazzmen are good people. No need for personal attacks based off an unsubstantiated feeling one here might have.

This negativity is toxic.

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I'm with you. I wonder if it's certain posters cry for attention or to be relevant? A hot take?

I like all of our players currently, and in general. There are few players that come through here that I come to dislike.

Imo, support and positivity is the way to go, even though I recognize that we have been burned before. Most people continued to support Hayward despite the many signs he was a fake. His words were fake, his hair was fake, but his lies were real. I'd imagine that some fans whether they are aware of it or not are determined to not be tricked by a "Hayward" again so at times lean towards the distrusting of anything that remotely resembles something fake.

While personally I prefer the positive approach, I can at least understand watching for signs and lies and protecting their mountain shaped hearts. To the extreme of oneeye and Cy of wanting someone gone and considering them Cthulu, I don't see it.
 
The NBA is an entertainment organization, and Mitchell is very entertaining.
My point is that he does it every second of every game. Did you watch the movie The Prestige? Don has his moments where he waves his arms rudely at Gobert, but those are rare. He’s a great teammate on the floor. Of course he realizes the camera is always on him, but if he secretly hates everything about Gobert and Utah, he hides it extremely well.
 
Advocating for social justice issues in Utah with its dumbass politics is the equivalent of screaming into a void.

Don’t give up. If you were on JazzFanz in 2008 I was one of the conservative [guys] making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Life experience and the perspective of others changed me. There is hope in Utah, it’s just going to be a slow process.
 
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Set aside fan irrationality, which I and most of you are really too old for, honestly if I was Mitchell I'd eventually want to go to the Knicks too. His hometown team, probably grew up dreaming of becoming the Knicks savior--and he has the ability to. It'd instantly make him one of the most famous athletes in America. It would obviously be very profitable, maybe even more-so than the super max extension the Jazz can offer him. If you were a star basketball player, wouldn't you want to play for the Jazz at some point?

But that doesn't mean he's going to force his way out. He genuinely seems to like his teammates, coaching staff, the organization and ownership group, whatever you want to say about his activism I don't think I've ever seen a player kinder and more gregarious to the fans, showing up at middle school basketball games. I've seen him, he talks and is kind to everyone. Most importantly, I think he believes he can win here. As long as he believes he can win here, I think he'll stay. He'll probably go to the Knicks someday, but he wants to win a championship here first. And it's pretty clear he's not going to force his way out if the team is contending.

Which gives the franchise an opportunity. We hopefully win a championship this season or next, but if we don't and are still a plausible contender, we go to Donovan and promise him that if he signs the super-max deal only we can offer, we promise to send him to the Knicks or whatever his desired destination is in a couple seasons when the team around him ages out of contending, or when we are ready to call it quits and start over. This gives us another couple years of trying. He gets his supermax deal, and when he does leave we get assets back. He's a young player with a ton of time left, it's not like he either makes it to the knicks tomorrow or not at all. And all we can really ask for is maximizing our chance of winning the championship. We are in a Toronto/Mavs situation. We have to keep the team contending year after year, and hope the right trade or a lucky year falls into our lap and we win. The more years we have win Donovan, the more chances we have.
 
Don’t give up. If you were on JazzFanz in 2008 I was one of the conservative minions making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Life experience and the perspective of others changed me. There is hope in Utah, it’s just going to be a slow process.
Yea, now it's all liberal minions making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Don't give up. Bob was right.
The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'
 
“Are you happy in Utah”

Donovan: “Im living my dream, playing with great teammates, of course im happy” but avoiding the Utah part completely.

Okay bro, go f*** yourself with your garbage non-answers. Admit you hate it here and gtfo.



Yeah, it’s not like every single guy speaking on it got negative reactions. Donovan as usual, is a crybaby bitch. Oh people don’t agree with you on something? You’re probably right 100% of the time and should act like a child when you don’t get your way 100%….oh wait you always do.

This is one of the funniest analyses I've ever seen on this site. This is bordering on Melo the Jazz Killer level humor. So here's how language works: Don is asked if he's happy in Utah, he gives specifics and says "of course I'm happy," with the rhetorical inference of "in Utah" already being assumed by the fact that he's responding to that question. But what makes Melo the Jazz Killer's posts so genius is they take technicalities and exaggerate them into claims that can't possibly be sustained by al the evidence, but by zeroing in on the technicality they have the appearance of rationality.

Here's where I'll meet you part of the way, though. I don't see in Don a similar sort of Dame-Lillard-commitment to Portland, where he's unequivocally stated he would never want to leave POR. But as we see in POR, even that level of commitment is subject to the whims of many more factors than an individual player's desire to stay. Here's what I got from it: Don would love to bring a title to Utah. That would be huge for the fanbase, but also a huge thing for a young NBA player to do rather than aiming for some legacy franchise. And he keeps his options open because that's the fundamental nature of the NBA and he would be irresponsible not to.
 
I'm okay with it. I'd just like a little more honesty. Like if you aren't going to just answer the questions legitimately don't even do this **** interview. What has grown so old is how hard he tries to protect his image of never being the issue. If you're going to do an interview setting the record straight. Set the f****** record straight you coward.


When asked directly about Utah. Answer directly about Utah in an interview saying you are "setting the record straight". He did this interview by choice, he took that question by choice. Now answer the question you loser.


With these kind of nonsense answers and the way Donovan acts I'd never trade our 2026 or 2027 1st round picks. You can't successfully do what he wants the franchise to do if they feel his foot is already out the door. It's why the Bucks could go all in for Giannis, they felt he was actually committed. Portland whiffed it with Dame so that can happen. The Jazz need to stop catering to him in the way they do when clearly they don't trust him enough to trade those picks like they didn't this deadline.
This seems personal and almost unhealthily so, and I say that sincerely. You seem to have a lot of personal anger toward Don. This isn't healthy, projecting onto someone who really isn't connected to your life in significant ways.
 
This is one of the funniest analyses I've ever seen on this site. This is bordering on Melo the Jazz Killer level humor. So here's how language works: Don is asked if he's happy in Utah, he gives specifics and says "of course I'm happy," with the rhetorical inference of "in Utah" already being assumed by the fact that he's responding to that question. But what makes Melo the Jazz Killer's posts so genius is they take technicalities and exaggerate them into claims that can't possibly be sustained by al the evidence, but by zeroing in on the technicality they have the appearance of rationality.

Here's where I'll meet you part of the way, though. I don't see in Don a similar sort of Dame-Lillard-commitment to Portland, where he's unequivocally stated he would never want to leave POR. But as we see in POR, even that level of commitment is subject to the whims of many more factors than an individual player's desire to stay. Here's what I got from it: Don would love to bring a title to Utah. That would be huge for the fanbase, but also a huge thing for a young NBA player to do rather than aiming for some legacy franchise. And he keeps his options open because that's the fundamental nature of the NBA and he would be irresponsible not to.
Ummm not really... normally when asked a basic question like that players break down where their happiness comes from by percentages.... some even use pie charts. It is clear that 110% of his happiness comes from being on a winning team and -10% comes from that team being in Utah... add that up and there is a 100% chance he has already requested a trade.
 
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