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Didn't Glen Rice bone Sarah Palin?
Draft: The Player the Jazz Need Most is...Harrison Barnes
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Didn't Glen Rice bone Sarah Palin?
Hantlers
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He couldn't even do that against average college athletes, he's not going to be able to do it in the NBA. I usually agree with most of what you say YB, but I can't get down with this.
No problem. I admit that I'm not an expert and didn't see a lot of games this year, but I have liked Barnes in the games I've watched.
billyshelby
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Personally, I think Barnes is this year's Evan Turner -- won't be a bust, overrated, destined for the OJ Mayo fringe starter class. He plays in the one conference I happen to watch, and every time I saw him he played well. But he can't drive. I don't like wing players drafted high in the lottery who can't drive or shoot the lights out.
They say he can shoot, but looking at his numbers I'm pretty wary. My thing, whether it's scientific or not, is to separate how a guy does in conference from the rest of his numbers as long as he plays in a power conference like the ACC. Off the back of the napkin:
2011: 38/109 -- 35% from 3
2012: 21/78 -- 27% from 3
And his tourney performances in both years has been pretty unspectacular. Like Turner, he puts up numbers through volume and is a plus rebounder. I love him at 12, hate him at 5.
They say he can shoot, but looking at his numbers I'm pretty wary. My thing, whether it's scientific or not, is to separate how a guy does in conference from the rest of his numbers as long as he plays in a power conference like the ACC. Off the back of the napkin:
2011: 38/109 -- 35% from 3
2012: 21/78 -- 27% from 3
And his tourney performances in both years has been pretty unspectacular. Like Turner, he puts up numbers through volume and is a plus rebounder. I love him at 12, hate him at 5.
You go it.
Hantlers
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The thing about Barnes (same with Beal) is that their shooting forms are so good, that you would think their percentages have to go up. I think if Barnes realizes that he needs to become strictly a spot-up shooter rather than trying to create all the time, you'll see his percentages increase. Gonna be hard to convince him with that massive ego he has though.
billyshelby
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Does he have an ego? I have no idea. The thing I notice with Barnes is his overall numbers stayed the same freshman to sophomore. Yet his draft stock seems to be climbing, and my take was his stock last year was based on the idea that he was only a freshman and just tapping his talent. So now he's the same player he was freshman year, but a better prospect?
I think the ego thing is way overblown.
His draft stock has not really risen. At one point (coming out of HS) he was being mocked as the #1 overall pick. As his freshman season wore on, he slid. He fell to around 4 or 5. Then, when his soph campaign didn't see him get much, if any, better, his stock dropped to 7 or 8. Now, with the season over, he's settling back into that average of 4 - 6.
billyshelby
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Point well taken. But if I'm a GM, and I see a freshman phenom who didn't improve from year 1 to 2, I'm not thinking he's the same guy I thought he was as a freshman phenom. And if I see his conference stats got worse the following year, and his tourney numbers got worse, I'm having even more reservations.
So Top 5 last year on promise makes "sense". Staying Top 5 doesn't.
In HS he created far more. Got to the rim much more often. He does seem to have gotten somewhat exposed. It's strange, though, because his size and athleticism suggest he should be able to do these things (even at the NBA level). I think he just doesn't have the 'it' .. the mentality/attitude. He has the size and skill to be worthy of the 2nd pick .. but he's shown he lacks the fortitude.
billyshelby
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Personally, I think a lot of the love comes from the older GM's looking at him like Paul Pierce. I see only a shadow of Pierce in Barnes. But that's just a wild theory. And it doesn't really fit since the knock on Pierce was he wasn't aggressive enough despite superior stats. Still, I think modern GM's are trying to put Barnes in that class. Maybe they'll be right, but I don't think they will.
Hantlers
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He named himself the Black Falcon...anybody who gives themselves a nickname, has an ego. He also wears around "Black Falcon" merchandise.
Yes I know Austin Rivers gave himself a nickname too, he also has an ego and nobody denies that.
Probably true. I mean, you create offense here.