Two teams battled it out for $7 million a year for Landry Fields. Turns out he's not worth a minimum contract.
The Blazers and Thunder are both stupid.
Enes Kanter still unsigned
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Two teams battled it out for $7 million a year for Landry Fields. Turns out he's not worth a minimum contract.
The Blazers and Thunder are both stupid.
The max contract Enes got, somehow proves that the Jazz Kanter fans were not preaching in the desert.
It is curious that a player that was labeled a bust by many Jazz fans will make $17,5 million per season....more than any Jazz player, Hayward included. These are the facts.
Anyway as a Jazz fan I'm glad we didn't give me that massive contract.
Let's close the Kanter chapter once and for all.
It is curious that a player that was labeled a bust by many Jazz fans will make $17,5 million per season....more than any Jazz player, Hayward included. These are the facts.
Anyway as a Jazz fan I'm glad we didn't give me that massive contract.
Let's close the Kanter chapter once and for all.
Stifle Tower
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I don't think anybody thought Kanter was a bust. He's a gifted offensive player with a huge ego who doesn't care a rat's arse about playing defense. Maybe 2 other superstars are enough to help OKC out score everybody in the playoffs. As for me, I already saw how far similar players (Boozer and Jefferson) took Utah. Both were essentially 20/10 players but weak defenders. I'd much rather have Gobert manning the 5 than Kanter at $17M. Chicago regretted signing Boozer and Charlotte hasn't done much with Big Al. We'll see if the honeymoon wears off with Enes.
That's not the point.
Just ask yourself how many soon to be maxed players were traded for that little in the past?
Stifle Tower
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Tell me how Utah could have gotten more in return? Kanter was an ******* who publicly demanded a trade. Everyone knew Utah wasn't going to match an offer. What did Miami get for Lebron or the Lakers for Howard? They both left as FA's. DL could have done the same with Enes. At least he got something
- There were plenty discussions regarding hypothetical trades. Why waste time going there again?
- Karl Malone also publicly demanded a trade, yet somehow ended up staying as well as many other guys who either stayed or ended up traded for a fair price
- Nobody knew if Utah would match or not, that's pure speculation. The Jazz definitely had cap space to match
- Both Miami and Lakers begged them to stay. Why would they trade them?
Effectively, if you can't prove that there are examples of soon-to-be-maxed players traded for peanuts in the past and still think DL did a good job, then you claim Dennis Lindsey made an exceptional trade which doesn't have precedents. It can't be inbetween. It's either a crappy trade in which Jazz get robbed or once in a decade kind of thing and to me it's clearly not the latter.
lol, what are you implying here? That Kanter's salary is 100% equivalent to his on-court value?
Please. We all saw the Jazz dramatically improve right after ditching his zero-defense ***. Him getting paid the max doesn't rewrite history.
Cappy_Smurf
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So, reading through this thread, it seems a lot of people are still clueless about what's happening with the cap. Lol at the Kanter homers celebrating a value based on the future cap.
Stifle Tower
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Hypothetical trades by fans....lol. I guess DL should be fired because we didn't get Paul George. There was never a rumor of any team wanting Kanter, unlike what happened with players like 'Melo. And yes, everyone KNEW Utah would not give or match a huge offer for Enes. He had lost his starting spot to Gobert. Tell me, how many max players come off the bench? DL had two choices: keep a selfish, disgruntled ******* on the team, and try for a sign and trade in the summer, or risk losing him for nothing if he received any kind of high offer. Even worse would be to have him return on the qualifying offer. We both agree Utah didn't get much, but his public demands ended any chance DL had. And if you go back and read the news reports; DL had been trying since December to trade him.
As for the Malone example, that's irrelevant. Kanter didn't want to stay as a backup and the Jazz didn't want a selfish me-first player at his asking price.
As for the Malone example, that's irrelevant. Kanter didn't want to stay as a backup and the Jazz didn't want a selfish me-first player at his asking price.
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Stifle Tower
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Interview of Lindsey. You can go find it if you'd like. I don't have the time to waste. The only fact that matters is Kanter is a prick. Yes, I said it and I usually don't use such language. And I'm only 6'1" but I'd say it directly to him. Very few players EVER trash organizations, coaches, teammates, and fans like he did. REGARDLESS of him thinking he had been "wronged" - and I'd argue he could only say that about his second season - he should thank Utah for drafting him...or say NOTHING at all.
Almost every ex-Jazz man has praised the organization and the fans. Even guys like Snyder and DWill who left on sour notes. Around the league few players have ever spoken as badly of former teams. I hope OKC is willing to change his diapers and burp him daily. If adversity ever hits, it's going to be fun to watch the carnage. And my prediction is the first victim will be Durant. He'll get awfully tired of Kanter stat-chasing and giving no effort on the defensive end. Kevin will be in Washington or somewhere else this time next summer.
Neither do I. But if I were to look, where would I look?
Stifle Tower
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I'd suggest Google or the DNews or Trib archives.
gregbroncs
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So we were supposed to hold on to him and let him walk for nothing instead of getting something for him? Because no way in hell were the Jazz ever going to give him half of what he just got.
gregbroncs
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Ask yourself this. Would Utah have matched a max offer? My answer is no ****ing way in hell. Therefore Utah got a good trade. They essentially traded nothing for a 1st round pick and other stuff as well.
I think the "Jazz traded Kanter for nothing" crowd needs to stop and ponder something for a second: Trading for a player a couple months before they become an RFA, especially with the looming cap increase, means that you're also very likely committing yourself to spending up the *** for that player to keep him long-term. It wasn't just a trade for Kanter, it was a trade for the right to ridiculously overpay Kanter. Not appealing for the majority of teams. OKC jumped on it because they were desperate to prove to KD they were all in.
Long before the trade deadline, I trust with 100% confidence the Jazz knew Enes' approximate 2015 RFA signing value. So did his agent. Also, before the trade deadline, the Jazz had an idea of his trade value. The market sets the price. While it is true that deals get done at the deadline, there is not a huge change in the market value in December as there is in feb. So the market situation was well known.
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Also, the variety of opinions here on Jazzfanz is also symbolic of the value of Kanter. It is not a slam dunk that he will turn out to be valuable just because he was paid max money. There are a lot of examples of high paid players that didn't work out to be that valuable. Kanter is a highly skilled player with a high risk quotient of not providing the value of his contract. Additionally he was RFA. So his trade value is lower than his contract value.
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If the same scenario of a player with his skill/risk/attitude was a point guard, then i'm in a bigger decision pickle. But if I have favors and gobert as positional alternatives then the decision is quite easy: get as much as possible in a trade - little as it might seem - and move on.
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Also, the variety of opinions here on Jazzfanz is also symbolic of the value of Kanter. It is not a slam dunk that he will turn out to be valuable just because he was paid max money. There are a lot of examples of high paid players that didn't work out to be that valuable. Kanter is a highly skilled player with a high risk quotient of not providing the value of his contract. Additionally he was RFA. So his trade value is lower than his contract value.
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If the same scenario of a player with his skill/risk/attitude was a point guard, then i'm in a bigger decision pickle. But if I have favors and gobert as positional alternatives then the decision is quite easy: get as much as possible in a trade - little as it might seem - and move on.
Stifle Tower
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Great point. Also, without Durant, OKC was not going to challenge for a title last season, but they did want to make the playoffs. So they weren't going to pay a ton for Enes. Kanter and his agent were smart; they knew a trade would have to happen after they went public. I'm sure they didn't care about the destination; they just didn't want Enes' value to drop by him being viewed as a 3rd big instead of a starter.
And for OKC, it was a no-brainer. Even had they decided NOT to pay Kanter a huge salary, they gave up very little for a legit chance at making the playoffs. Enes was able to fill in for injured players (I believe both Adams and Ibaka missed games). And they could either keep him by matching an offer, negotiate a new deal or have him come back for one more season for the QO.
Now whether or not one thinks OKC would be better spending the money elsewhere and continuing to develop and give time to Adams and McGary is a whole other argument.
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