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NUMBERICA said:
Also, I am not the world's biggest Donovan Mitchell fan, but what he did in these playoffs was all-time heroism and it is tragic that this is how it ended. Heartbreaking. I am seriously so sad for the Jazz, but especially for Donovan. His performances these last few games are historic, and he did it on fumes, one leg, and an entire team's worth of heart.

He deserves and deserved better than what he got when it mattered most and he sure as **** knows that.
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Yknow, I'd be a little hesitant to straight up say the FO needs to be cleared out. Some of the weak tea limp noodle responses from DL and Zanik were pushing me that way.

But thinking of how much we wasted DM's epic performance made my blood boil. Time to clear house. They all need to be shown the door.
 
I always crack up when Jazz fanz start bashing guys who might leave even before they have left. It is like they expect their girlfriend to break up so they start trashing her. Free agency is part of the system. You cannot blame a guy who is a free agent for listening to offers or do what is best for him and his families. Geez everyone on this board would try to do what is best for themselves and family. Owners are doing what is best for them. They cut and trade players with little concern how it affects the player but then you expect the player to be all loyal even when the owners are not always loyal.
 
The other funny thing is every one on this board at sometime either criticized a player or made up some trade so fans are not loyal to the players but they want the players to be loyal to the team and fans. Come on you cannot have it both ways without being a hypocrite.
 
campaignist said:
Yknow, I'd be a little hesitant to straight up say the FO needs to be cleared out. Some of the weak tea limp noodle responses from DL and Zanik were pushing me that way.

But thinking of how much we wasted DM's epic performance made my blood boil. Time to clear house. They all need to be shown the door.
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It can't be all bad. But how about an autopsy on who ultimately was in a position and green-lighted drafting a skill-less center AND signing Favors? Who ran the cap math on the Rayjon Tucker trade and biffed it like they cheated their way through Math 1010 (probably some nepotism hire is my guess)? Who green-lighted trading the Jazz's last nickel for that total ****ing bum Matt Thomas? Does the braintrust of 10 GM's work in shifts, cuz who was on shift when Torrey Craig went for ****ing nothing?

Maybe it does all need to be cleared out. But only two heads of the ****-hydra signed off on all of those moves; ownership (who are gone now) and Dennis ****ing Lindsey.

I want someone's head for this ****.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Here’s the other thing... really good projects show you something almost immediately... like some flashes. None of our projects have shown anything worth much. To find the good projects ya gotta churn a bit and have a chance at some upside.
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This. Niang is the perfect example of those development projects that takes the longest time to give us the smallest return.

It took Mann half amount of time to score 39 in a playoff game. Player development is a good concept but in any professional sports it always comes down to the player himself. It's either you are that guy or you are not.
 


That is the most obvious, *********** preemptive excuse making I have ever seen. He knows they won't accomplish a damn thing in the offseason and already wants an out.
 
campaignist said:


That is the most obvious, *********** preemptive excuse making I have ever seen. He knows they won't accomplish a damn thing in the offseason and already wants an out.
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Zanik isn't wrong. Austin rivers was a two way player for the Nuggets and he played a major role in that Portland series. But talking is one thing, action is another. Where is our own "Austin rivers" when we needed them?
 
infection said:
Why get Craig and have him get in the way of developing the next Craig?
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It’s just like going down to the local restaurant and buying an already perfectly prepared lasagna for $20 when you can kill three hours and $35 in materials and make a mediocre one yourself... don’t skip steps ya know.
 
campaignist said:


That is the most obvious, *********** preemptive excuse making I have ever seen. He knows they won't accomplish a damn thing in the offseason and already wants an out.
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If two way players come at such a premium, why did we use all our assets on an injury prone player who isn't a two way player?

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campaignist said:


That is the most obvious, *********** preemptive excuse making I have ever seen. He knows they won't accomplish a damn thing in the offseason and already wants an out.
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Then just find one way players then. Niang Oni and Favs gave us nothing on either end. Get a Craig, Rivers, use MLE on DJJ or Crowder (Jae had like 20 teams call him I guess... amazing he was a throw in for the Conley deal with so much interest) instead of Favs.
 
Wait, Zanik is talking about player who play both ends? I thought he was saying two-way contract players come at a premium. I guess that shows you my current feelings on the FO.
 
jom2003 said:
Zanik isn't wrong. Austin rivers was a two way player for the Nuggets and he played a major role in that Portland series. But talking is one thing, action is another. Where is our own "Austin rivers" when we needed them?
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Oh, Zanik will be saying the same thing at the end of the next offseason that he is saying right now, when he fails to land an Austin Rivers type or two. At least a significant one. I've been wrong before but I don't think I am this time.
 
I saw a blurb on the interwebs that the top three players in the Japan Basketball all have Jazz ties. Jack Cooley, Kyle Collinsworth and Jordan Hamilton. Add to the fact Jeremy Evans is playing in Europe and leads his league in blocked shots and Bryce Cotton is the MVP in Australia there might have been some reasonable cost depth than this Oni horse pucky.
 
infection said:
I don’t think Jay-Z necessarily has respected basketball opinions.
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I'm betting his ownership stake is about the same size though. A big reason he was brought in was again, for the same reason as Jay-Z, for good publicity and attention, especially to free agents. He probably has some sway, but my guess is his input is being overrated. I have no way of knowing.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Then just find one way players then. Niang Oni and Favs gave us nothing on either end. Get a Craig, Rivers, use MLE on DJJ or Crowder (Jae had like 20 teams call him I guess... amazing he was a throw in for the Conley deal with so much interest) instead of Favs.
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How about this...

Use all the draft capital they burned this year and do the sign-and-trade that landed Christian Wood instead of signing Favors.

Or whatever. Someone good at playing basketball. And I'm done with this argument that everything that affects a basketball game is a basketball skill. Nah. Basketball skill being someone has a basketball and are asked to do something with it that doesn't consist of being big and having hands.
 
jom2003 said:
This. Niang is the perfect example of those development projects that takes the longest time to give us the smallest return.

It took Mann half amount of time to score 39 in a playoff game. Player development is a good concept but in any professional sports it always comes down to the player himself. It's either you are that guy or you are not.
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Mann has far more athleticism than Niang, but you also should consider that the Jazz continually left him wide open for shots. How many I can't remember, but a lot of players in the NBA could've scored 39, even more, so part of his success was due to the poor defensive plan, or poor execution that allowed him free shots at the basket.
 
There were also guys like Kent Bazemore that we could have convinced to come over with a chunk of the MLE... the Favs addition was such an overkill move when you consider what we already had at center... the you put the Udoka pick in there too... like the cherry on an incompetence sundae.
 
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