Following potential 2014 draftees

[green]

Ya cause a coach would do exactly what you are saying.

Everything just always works out because of math

Huh?

 

[green]

If Noah's ceiling is so high, and he works harder/more than anyone else, and his measurables so great, why isn't he the #1 pick?

The more I delve into Randle, Noah and Gordon, the better Smart looks.

And that kinda sucks.

 

[Doublea]

I'm going to throw a wrench in your minutes. Remove Hayward and the SF minutes since Gordon is the ONLY one of the 4 who can play SF.
Now you have 96 minutes to split between the 3. OK, that's perfect, right? We have a 3-man rotation with each one getting about 32 mins.

During some stretches, you will have Burke and Smart on the court together. That's a recipe for disaster: 1) neither can shoot; 2) they're both midgets if you have that lineup (Burks at PG; Smart at SG).

Worked pretty well with the suns.

 

[BTP]

Maybe I'm trying to convince myself that this will happen but I believe that one of the consensus top 4 will be available at 5 come draft night.

I don't know who it will be but I can easily see a team falling in love with one of the PF's or Smart.

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I don't foresee Orlando Philly doing that.

I see that comp... but he will never have KG's fire and will.

There's guys that are more introverted with their mouth. Says nothing about his demeanor. And if there's a veteran pecking order on a team that's being supported by the coach he'd have looked worse by not passing, forcing isos and displaying bad teamplay, unless he somehow was already that advanced that he could have made superstar contributions. But that's unrealistic.

What would it take for Vonleh to move to SF. Improve his handle and lateral quickness?

Ask KKK. He's the specialist for that position!(I wouldn't move him to the perimeter in almost every matchup - But having him improve lateral quickness, footspeed and running screens may make him capable of putting length on KD in the future)

On the other topic, I think Favors + 5 might get you Parker at #3, but not Embiid. Philly might even throw in #10, but I doubt it.

Philly won't want Favors. Too old for their development curve. Orlando though, might! Would make keeping Vucevic easier if you pair him with Favors and have Harris as quality 6th man for court stretching reasons. They'll target Exum and Embiid.

Check burks 3 pt percentage vs haywards first.

Get back to me after checking it out

Burks .35 career on 280 attempts
Hayward .365 career on 769 attempts

And I bet as soon as we start measuring difference to league avg from specific spots and differentiate between C&S and off the dribble and stuff we'll see other favorable stats for Gordon.

^like I said, ridiculous upside, but I worry about the heart.

If PGAB's Disneyland story is 50% true, then I don't have worries. Many great leaders in the history of the game who lead by example. Most recent are 2 7 footer playing for Texas teams.

 

[BTP]

not hard.. one thing to go to the gym.. another to want to rip a guy's heart out in the fourth.

So how comes you question Wiggins heart? He had some games this year where he wasn't there for 3 quarters, his team trailing double digits late in the fourth and he shot 3 3s in a row and got them back into the game at least so far that intentional fouling was an option. Isn't that heart?

I predict Gordon is a standout in Summer League. Book it.

He'll be against first round picks with guaranteed contracts. Undrafted and guys coming home from overseas will watch a scouting video and play his tendencies.

what do you make of the narrative that Noah was a clutch high school player? ive seen that bantied about, its in his nbadarft.net profile

im certain hit at least a few gamewinners, some of them 3's

at 1:53 of this video you will see him hit a game winner vs Nerlens Noel

THIS. You can also see how he's altered his long range bomb. In his dx vid and workouts he rarely dips it low to his waist and his release becomes siginificantly quicker.

PG - 48 mins a night
SG - 48 mins a night
SF - 15 mins a night

Some simple third grade math gets you 111 mins a night for Burke, Smart, Hayward, Burks. That evens out to 28 mins per player. IDEAL. Toss in some night with foul trouble, matchups, off nights, whatever.

Or, hell, give Hayward 20 mins a night at SF instead of 15. Essentially 30 mins a night for each one. Problem solved. That still leaves 28 mins a night for another SF to come in and produce.

HOLY ****. IT WORKS.

Yeah, what about Burks.....unreal.

You can play Hayward 8 min a game at SF! Why? Durant plays 40 min a game...

If Noah's ceiling is so high, and he works harder/more than anyone else, and his measurables so great, why isn't he the #1 pick?

The more I delve into Randle, Noah and Gordon, the better Smart looks.

And that kinda sucks.

Plenty of reasons. Age, stage of development. Maybe smokescreening. Inaccurate media predictions. Contradictions out of his camp may executives question the truth behind these gym rat reports. Maybe some simply think the fact he didn't dominate and is a gym rat means he lacks talent/skill. Maybe they simply think Embiid and Wiggins are even better. So many possibilities...


Also a bonbon for the #1 Kiwi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V_MTTQcrmE

Dat perimeter defense doe...

 

[fishonjazz]

Burks .35 career on 280 attempts
Hayward .365 career on 769 attempts

Burks rookie year he attempted the least amount of 3's in his career and shot his worst percentage from 3 for his career. He worked on his 3pt shot (since it was such a weakness) and then attempted more 3's in each of his next 2 years and shot a much better percentage.

Hayward was at his best shooting the 3 in his rookie year and got worse

 

[BTP]

Burks rookie year he attempted the least amount of 3's in his career and shot his worst percentage from 3 for his career. He worked on his 3pt shot (since it was such a weakness) and then attempted more 3's in each of his next 2 years and shot a much better percentage.

Hayward was at his best shooting the 3 in his rookie year and got worse

#SelectivePerception
I'm sure over the summer some bleacher report jazz page or something will segment different shot types of both.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also when i look at the stats it seems that the more 3's that burks attempts, the better his percentage gets.

His rookie year he attempted 1.7 per game (per 36 min) and shot .333

His 2nd year attempted 2.9 per game (per 36 min) and shot .359

3rd year attempted 2.3 and shot .350

 

[fishonjazz]

#SelectivePerception
I'm sure over the summer some bleacher report jazz page or something will segment different shot types of both.

Call it what you want but according to stats, it seems like burks has improved his outside shot since he came into the league and hayward has gotten worse.

I think its better to improve than get worse at things

 

[BTP]

Call it what you want but according to stats, it seems like burks has improved his outside shot since he came into the league and hayward has gotten worse.

I think its better to improve than get worse at things

As I've written before I think Hayward's shot selection is different than Burks. I didn't say that Burks development is bad. I just don't think Burks is a better shooter because Hayward's shot selection contains more complex attempts. If you'd compare C&S which is like 99% of Burks attempts then you'd have a comparable shot selection.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I think Vonleh is bustproof. He'll space the floor just fine from either forward spot. Here's some of that confident sweet stroke in an open gym session with other college players. I actually think Vonleh is a bit underrated and under the radar because he played out of position at Indiana, and their guards didn't do a good job of getting him the ball in rhythm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvpiNVOJOeg

If there is one thing that makes Vonleh bust proof it's that he's a great rebounder. Even if he continues to be passive with his offense, if he can just make an open jumpshot when the star play passes to him and he can clean the glass, he'll be fine. Problem is, the Jazz need to find a star in this draft and I'm not convinced Vonleh has the heart, the mental makeup, whatever it might be, for the job.

 

[orangello]

Here is someone else's view on how the draft will go:

https://fansided.com/2014/05/28/nba-mock-draft-2014-definitive-look-hardwood-paroxysm/4/#!RprVA

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[Stifle Tower]

Here is someone else's view on how the draft will go:

https://fansided.com/2014/05/28/nba-mock-draft-2014-definitive-look-hardwood-paroxysm/4/#!RprVA

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"The young core of Burke/Hayward/Jabari/Harris/Favors/Kanter is cheap, athletic, skilled, and primed to grow and succeed together in the Western Conference into the next decade."

Alec "Harris" Burks?

 

[orangello]

"The young core of Burke/Hayward/Jabari/Harris/Favors/Kanter is cheap, athletic, skilled, and primed to grow and succeed together in the Western Conference into the next decade."

Alec "Harris" Burks?

No, they picked up Harris in the trade with Orlando. I'm sure that would make Cy happy.

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[Zulu]

Here is someone else's view on how the draft will go:

https://fansided.com/2014/05/28/nba-mock-draft-2014-definitive-look-hardwood-paroxysm/4/#!RprVA

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Jabari Parker, F, Duke

Statement from Jazz general manager Kevin McElroy: Coming into the draft with the 5th and 23rd picks, the forward-poor Utah Jazz did not expect that they’d be able to add arguably the best prospect in the draft (and a Mormon to boot!) as well as a 21-year-old who is already an above-average NBA forward to their roster.

Who the Hell is Kevin McElroy????

Did the dude on this site just pick an Irish last name.... Cause he knew KOC was Irish but couldn't remember which Clan!!!

 

[orangello]

I'm just waiting for you guys to get to the part where the Jazz trade GMoney

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[Stifle Tower]

No, they picked up Harris in the trade with Orlando. I'm sure that would make Cy happy.

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Missed that one. But why would Orlando trade Harris to move down?

Also check out the next Jazz-related pick:
"We have a trade! The Philadelphia 76ers trade the #19 and #23 picks to the Utah Jazz for Gordon Hayward."

 

[Zulu]

I'm just waiting for you guys to get to the part where the Jazz trade GMoney

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Atleast we get pick #23 back.

 

[orangello]

Missed that one.

But check out the next Jazz-related pick:


"We have a trade! The Philadelphia 76ers trade the #19 and #23 picks to the Utah Jazz for Gordon Hayward."

Yep, see my post above.

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[orangello]

Atleast we get pick #23 back.

Rodney Hood? Really?

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