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Following potential 2015 draftees

stitches said:
If we draft Winslow it won't be for his offense in general. I kind of think the same goes for Johnson and Oubre. I think the problems with his confidence came midseason when his shot just stopped falling and his midrange % is something like 18% or something of that sort.

To me Oubre is more raw than Winslow.
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I have read that Winslow is a good guy. Having read that, I like him more than Oubre.
I read that Oubre is kind of lazy and in reading it, was kind of down on him. But careful what you read, amirite?
 
Dr. Jones said:
I have read that Winslow is a good guy. Having read that, I like him more than Oubre.
I read that Oubre is kind of lazy and in reading it, was kind of down on him. But careful what you read, amirite?
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Have your read? Or have you read that someone's heard?

Yah, there are some issues I've read and heard about Oubre's attitude... and some about Johnson's too. And at the same time it seems like Winslow is a good guy to work with and play with. That's why I'm kind of higher on Winslow than most people seem to be.
 
Just by watching him, I think Oubre is a cocky 19 year-old kid who likes to show off, pose a bit and celebrate a bit in front of the camera when he makes a play. But I don't know how big a deal this is. The game comes very easy to him. He's accomplishing a lot on the defensive end for KU, and he's playing 1/3 fewer minutes than Johnson or Winslow generally. He seems like a very efficient player who mostly complements the other guys on the KU roster. I think he could do quite a bit more if he were featured more and asked to score more.
 
Tell me this is not intriguing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KVovyDj_4

His finishing around the rim is great and he finishes with both left and right hand. He rebounds very well... He has a bit of a eurostep developing, a bit of slashing. As long as you are not relying on him to create much offense in the half-court I think he can be very good for an NBA team down the road.
 
Now it appears we're picking at around 12. And if Tomic comes over we're set at C. I wouldn't mind Winslow or Looney at 12 but chances are both will be gone. I think the draft drops off after 10 or so.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think I would give up all that.

I think the sixers should take it too. (We are probably giving up too much but sometimes you have to)
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Sixers season ticket holder here.

All those are mediocre assets. The whole reason the Sixers are tanking is for the Superstar potential assets. It's why we traded MCW. Sixers already have quantity, with 7-9 draft picks this year alone (5 second rounders, up to 4 first rounders).

What I heard earlier that was interesting was Exum included in the deal with 3 firsts. If Hinkie has another deal to package Miami+Jazz up to the 6-8 range for Hezonja, I can actually see that happening. This proposal is sort of trash though.
 
Xeoa said:
Sixers season ticket holder here.

All those are mediocre assets. The whole reason the Sixers are tanking is for the Superstar potential assets. It's why we traded MCW. Sixers already have quantity, with 7-9 draft picks this year alone (5 second rounders, up to 4 first rounders).

What I heard earlier that was interesting was Exum included in the deal with 3 firsts. If Hinkie has another deal to package Miami+Jazz up to the 6-8 range for Hezonja, I can actually see that happening. This proposal is sort of trash though.
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Exum plus 3 first rounders is laughable, but I get where you are coming from.
 
stitches said:
Yep, no.5 + another lottery(10-12 probably) + 2 first for what? 2nd? 3d? No way. I don't think I'd do it.
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I'm starting to come around on Exum a bit. Our defense actually started getting better when he was placed into the starting lineup. I'd like to see if we can move up to 5 or 6 in case someone slips, but would only want to use draft assets and/or Trey Burke.

When draft order is set I'll be making hoards of fake trades that will never happen... don't worry I won't share them.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm starting to come around on Exum a bit. Our defense actually started getting better when he was placed into the starting lineup. I'd like to see if we can move up to 5 or 6 in case someone slips, but would only want to use draft assets and/or Trey Burke.

When draft order is set I'll be making hoards of fake trades that will never happen... don't worry I won't share them.
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I was feeling down on Exum too, but I really like what he's brought the starting lineup. Any jump in his production will be amazing. We just need a shooting threat at the 2. We don't want to trade away our bench either (cause it's small as is).
 
Combining FG% at rim and volume, Winslow easily projects as the best driver and finisher. Stanley Johnson's finishing ability seems a little questionable.

Name, FG% at rim, % of shots at rim

Booker, 70.8, 20.6
Winslow, 66.4, 47.3
Russell, 64.4, 20.8
Oubre, 62.5, 24.2
Johnson, 52.7, 30.2
 
Jazz4ever said:
Combining FG% at rim and volume, Winslow easily projects as the best driver and finisher. Stanley Johnson's finishing ability seems a little questionable.

Name, FG% at rim, % of shots at rim

Booker, 70.8, 20.6
Winslow, 66.4, 47.3
Russell, 64.4, 20.8
Oubre, 62.5, 24.2
Johnson, 52.7, 30.2
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Thanks for those numbers, I was looking for them but couldn't find them. Can you share where you got them, by any chance? Thanks.

So my eye test was completely wrong about Booker(or I've caught him in a bad short-time period lately). Winslow's numbers around the rim are great!
 
Xeoa said:
Sixers season ticket holder here.

All those are mediocre assets. The whole reason the Sixers are tanking is for the Superstar potential assets. It's why we traded MCW. Sixers already have quantity, with 7-9 draft picks this year alone (5 second rounders, up to 4 first rounders).

What I heard earlier that was interesting was Exum included in the deal with 3 firsts. If Hinkie has another deal to package Miami+Jazz up to the 6-8 range for Hezonja, I can actually see that happening. This proposal is sort of trash though.
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Yeah nah, I'd rather hang on to Exum. We're only just starting to scratch the surface of what he can do. He's already a better defender than most PGs in the league.
 
stitches said:
Thanks for those numbers, I was looking for them but couldn't find them. Can you share where you got them, by any chance? Thanks.

So my eye test was completely wrong about Booker(or I've caught him in a bad short-time period lately). Winslow's numbers around the rim are great!
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hoop-math.com
 
There's nothing in this draft that justifies Exum + 3 first-round picks. Nothing.

Exum alone is probably a top-5 prospect in this draft.
 
At this point I think I'm fine taking the best available wing at #11 or #12... Winslow could be really good. If he is a hard worker he could become the Jimmy Butler type we all are salivating over. The only guy I don't like is Oubre... potential attitude issues, plus a low motor... Just think those things are harder to fix than a jumper.
 
If we ranked Exum's defense amongst point guards where would he rank?
 
stitches said:
Tell me this is not intriguing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KVovyDj_4

His finishing around the rim is great and he finishes with both left and right hand. He rebounds very well... He has a bit of a eurostep developing, a bit of slashing. As long as you are not relying on him to create much offense in the half-court I think he can be very good for an NBA team down the road.
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He's an intriguing athlete, sure. The defense and intangibles are there. It's just a question of how his offense develops. If it really comes together for him, maybe he can be like a Jerry Stackhouse offensively, but he's got a long way to go.

I think the Jazz are looking for a sweet shooter.
 
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