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David Thorpe said he thought Trey Burke should have gone #4 in that draft. He compared Trey to Damian Lillard too...

Trey was a great prospect(skill-wise). A lot of people had him going much higher than 9. I've heard people compare him to CP3... yah, I know how ridiculous that sounds but those were the comparisons he was receiving at the time from some people... The truth is... if you are going to be such a short prospect at the PG, you need to be pretty special(special shooting, special ability to create off the dribble and special decision maker) to succeed... I don't know if Payne will be special... but the outlooks for players of that size is not great lately in the league.
 
They won't. The negotiations for #4 will come down to the final minutes. Several teams could be involved. Phoenix, Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, etc.

Knicks should trade back to the 6 - 9 range to take Kaminsky. The Heat showing interest in Kaminsky could be a head-fake, but it adds pressure to the situation.

I just don't understand why if you're the Knicks you chase Kaminsky when you can just draft Porzingis. But I understand they're not a patient franchise.

In case Porzingis goes top #3.
 
In case Porzingis goes top #3.

Then you thank your lucky stars for that workout and take either Okafor or Russell. 4 this year is like 5 last year. Unless someone reaches for Aaron Gordon (who I like) you're not going to get a 1st tier player. You can try to convince yourself that Porzingis is Dirk or Hezonja is Manu. . . but I don't think they are. I like them both, I just don't think they're top 5 players.
 
While those measurements are near identical and some of their college stats are too. I like Payne's chances much more than I did Trey's. I think Payne sees the floor better, he's sharper. shows better instincts. has more untapped potential and is shiftier.

He's definitely the closest thing you will find to Steph Curry in this draft.

This class is no-doubt regarded as stronger than 2013's, and Payne has seemingly achieved lottery status as a sophomore from a Mid-Major on relatively little exposure nationally. To me there's just a palpable different quality with this kid and Trey; he's a more pesky defender, there's no way he'd average under a steal per game on 30 mpg.

His personality seems a bit like Dante's I've gotta say, except the Tennessee version. Solid leadership qualities, he's low ego, and absolutely ultra-confident. I like his chances at being a starter in this league eventually. He could be a flamethrower off the bench though and play the Lou Williams role if need be. Cam actually figures to be like if Lou Williams was a good PG..

"Trigger finger" Trey has proven to be too predictable for my tastes, Cam will play quicker but more mistake prone, in the classic sense of mistake prone - if Trey's shot selection is being factored in, he makes plenty of mistakes.

Payne's a lefty, which helps him at least appear a bit more shifty, he's lighter on his feet regardless. His shooting mechanics, especially off the dribble are ultra quick. he sets his feet like Steph, even when he's dribbling right. As the draft nears I find myself thinking that I'd sign up for Payne at 12 , in-part, because Trey can still return value in trade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsJ2BJXvBpw - 2:25 (play on mute)


Being a Steph Curry comp is scary though. If Curry isn't the absolute ace shooter that he is, he just becomes a chucker who has above average PG ability who isn't great on defense.
 
measurement-Trey - Payne
Height ------6'1.25'' - 6'1.5''
Wingspan--- 6'6'' - 6'7.25''
Reach ------ 8'1.5''- 8'1.5''
Sprint ------ 3.16 - 3.28
Lane agility-- 11.20 - 10.89
max vert ----36'' - 35.5

They are pretty close...

Without shoes: Trey = 5'11.75" Payne = 6'0.75"


Payne is actually quite a bit taller, but Trey was wearing a thicker shoes.
 
Understand. But if he can really shoot it and put the ball on the floor.. And is 7'3, I just might risk it.

He can shoot... he shoots coming off screens and on the move, he does turnaround jumpers... and even banks them off the glass. He can shoot. I'm not certain he'd be able to put it consistently on the floor though... maybe 1 or 2 dribbles and going to the rack would be comfortable for him...
 
I'm not saying he will be Trey(although to be fair I posed the question earlier if he'd be Trey 2.0), but I'm saying he will have very similar issues with finishing in the lane and around the rim. That's almost a certainty. His success would depend heavily on his ability to knock down shots. And he hasn't shown an ability in college better than what Trey was showing in a better conference against much better competition and on a much bigger stage.

I personally would rather pick Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn next year than Payne this year. I'd give Trey one more year to see what he can do and if he can improve. If he still sucks... prepare for letting him go and either pick up a vet or pick one of the two I mentioned.

I just think with the Jazz overabundance of depth there's no need to take a wait and see approach with the entire PG position, its time to obviate a weak-link in the chain. Why hope to save face over past trade value? when you can cut ties, upgrade and move on at little cost.

A spark of reliable offense from PG position just seems like one of those things that could tip the scales for this team. With Trey thats something you've gotta wait to see improvement on, then he's gotta confirm it with consistency. With Payne there's a chance he can 'hit the ground running' in limited minutes, and you have a dynamic backup PG, capable of really changing the pace, on a rookie deal for 4 seasons. I'd be remissed not to mention that he could very well turn out to be the BPA at 12.

Bryce Cotton and Dante can be relied on IMO. let Bryce and Payne fight it out for the backup spot in camp and see what happens. There is downside risk holding onto Trey if those percentages remain where they've been, as right now he could still fetch back a decent asset. With Dante here whats the real risk in losing Trey anyway. It seems like a pride thing.
 
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