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SCS said:
Any thoughts on this?
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Are the Magic giving up on Peyton?

Also - I think if Isaac is there, the wolves run to the podium with his name. He's both BPA and an insanely good fit with their roster.
 
My bet is some team will bid at least 60/4 on Ingles based on his playoff proficiency. There are so many teams with salary cap that wants to be filled, which have major spacing issues. Ingles accuracy will give some GMs straight up boners and they'll just want to buy.
 
after the first 2 picks the draft gets crazy and beauty becomes in the eye of the beholder.

Celtics - fultz - BPA
Lakers - Ball - and the circus that goes with him (i still think Josh Jackson is a better fit)
76ers - could go all over the board. Josh jackson at the 2 for them is their best option especially if they believe they are going to sign home town boy lowry. If Lowry is not an option De'Aaron Fox is a possibility here.

Lowry
Jackson
Saric
Simmons
Embiid

Is a pretty scary team and they now have depth on their roster also

Suns - is another team that could use a little of everyting. If they are truly done with bledsoe then De'aaron fox is a great fit on their roster. They also have Knight and ullis so they actually have a decent PG corp. I like the fit of tatum on their current roster the most and give bledsoe another year.

Bledsoe
Booker
Tatum
Bender
Len

Is a solid core with some depth off the bench

Kings - if fox is on the board they will take him but there are some other nice matches with isaac and monk.
Wolves - will be on the podium so fast it wont be funny with Isaac. The wolves are a scary team

Dunn
Wiggins
Isaac
KAT
Deng

or other options with Lavine and or the player they get for rubio. KAT at center Isaac at the 4. They are looking very good

Knicks - need a PG but they can not pass on malik monk still be on the board. Monk could play the 1 in the triangle offense.

Mavs - need a little bit of everything to start building around barnes. I dont buy into the Ferrell hype. Barnes needs open cutting lanes to be effective and the best person to open the court is markannen. Nowitski will be a great mentor for him.
 
stitches said:
:D

About his 3p shooting:

2012 - 32.2%
2013 - 39.2%
2014 - 36.6%
^---------------those are from Euro 3p line
2015 - 35.6%
2016 - 38.6%
2017 - 44.1%

He's never shot above 40% in his career. The rest I agree with. His positional versatility and his smarts are very valuable for an NBA team.
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Over his NBA career he is 40% I don't care about euro numbers at this point. What percentage do you think he shoots next year... he's been around 45% since as break last year. He's worth all of 3/40.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Over his NBA career he is 40% I don't care about euro numbers at this point. What percentage do you think he shoots next year... he's been around 45% since as break last year. He's worth all of 3/40.
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Probably around 38-39%? I think we will regret giving him 3/40 just like POrtland regrets giving all their subs 10+M.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
to early for frank jackson
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My thought with the Jazz going with Jackson at 24 is them looking at the lack of depth at point guard and combo guard in this draft. Fultz, Ball, Fox, Smith, Ntilikina, Monk, Mitchell, Kennard are all likely to be gone around 20 I think. After that if you want a point or combo guard that is young and has significant upside it's really just Frank Jackson and Jawun Evans. With four picks and the depth of this draft at PF and C I could see the Jazz taking a guard early to make sure they get one. And Jackson's versatility fits what we do perfectly.

Jackson was a McDonald's All American. Co-MVP of a loaded McDonald's All American game. He was highly efficient in his one year at Duke in a supporting role behind Tatum, Kennard and Grayson Allen. He killed it in the 5 v 5's at the Combine and in athletic testing. He's probably going to kill it in interviews with teams. I think there's a huge chance he's goes in the first round. Worst case scenario he'll go very early in the second round. If he would've stayed at Duke he might have been a lottery pick next year.
 
stitches said:
Probably around 38-39%? I think we will regret giving him 3/40 just like POrtland regrets giving all their subs 10+M.
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I think the only contracts they regret are Leonard, Crabbe, and Turner. They would likely get assets moving guys like Harkless and Aminu.

Crabbe and Turner >>>>> than what Ingles will get. Crabbe would be movable if he didn't have the trade kicker... Turner was just completely misjudging the fit and market... they offered twice what the next closest offer was going to be. Leonard sucks.

It is easy to say find the next Ingles.... they just aren't out there and you will work through 5-10 guys trying.
 
I'd be all for drafting Frank... he lost momentum with the injury which isn't super serious right. Take him at 24 or 30 on a cheap four year deal... let the kid develop.
 
stitches said:
Are the Magic giving up on Peyton?

Also - I think if Isaac is there, the wolves run to the podium with his name. He's both BPA and an insanely good fit with their roster.
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Not necessarily giving up on Payton but I don't think they are sold on him to the point they would avoid taking a new PG.

The Wolves could definitely go with Isaac. I just think Collins is possible too. They need size and depth inside. Someone who can rebound and block shots. Take some of the load off of KAT. Collins is more physically ready to handle that than Isaac is.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think the only contracts they regret are Leonard, Crabbe, and Turner. They would likely get assets moving guys like Harkless and Aminu.

Crabbe and Turner >>>>> than what Ingles will get. Crabbe would be movable if he didn't have the trade kicker... Turner was just completely misjudging the fit and market... they offered twice what the next closest offer was going to be. Leonard sucks.

It is easy to say find the next Ingles.... they just aren't out there and you will work through 5-10 guys trying.
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Well.. if it's ONLY those 3... :D
 
stitches said:
Well.. if it's ONLY those 3... :D
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You have a point there... the only one that is comparable to what Ingles will get is Leonard. I'm not convinced he was ever good and he had less of a history making threes. As far as BBIQ hes the opposite of Ingles.

If Ingles gets 4/60 which I don't see happening... that is a contract he has little chance of living up to.
 
SCS said:
My first round mock

1. Celtics- Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington
2. Lakers- Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA
3. 76ers- Josh Jackson, SF, Kansas
4. Suns- Jayson Tatum, F, Duke
5. Kings- De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky
6. Magic- Dennis Smith Jr, PG, NC State
7. Timberwolves- Zach Collins, C, Gonzaga
8. Knicks- Frank Ntilikina, CG, Strasbourg
9. Mavericks- Jonathan Isaac, PF, Florida State
10. Kings- Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona
11. Hornets- Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky
12. Pistons- Donovan Mitchell, CG, Louisville
13. Nuggets- OG Anunoby, F, Indiana
14. Heat- Harry Giles, PF, Duke
15. Blazers- Ike Anigbogu, C, UCLA
16. Bulls- Isaiah Hartenstein, C, Zalgiris
17. Bucks- Jonathan Jeanne, C, Nancy
18. Pacers- Luke Kennard, SG, Duke
19. Hawks- TJ Leaf, PF, UCLA
20. Blazers- Rodions Kurucs, SF, Barcelona 2
21. Thunder- Justin Jackson, SF, North Carolina
22. Nets- Justin Patton, C, Creighton
23. Raptors- John Collins, PF, Wake Forest
24. Jazz- Frank Jackson, CG, Duke
25. Magic- Jarrett Allen, C, Texas
26. Blazers- Ivan Rabb, PF, Cal
27. Nets- Terrance Ferguson, SG, Adelaide
28. Lakers- Bam Adebayo, C, Kentucky
29. Spurs- Anzejs Pasecniks, C, Gran Canaria
30. Jazz- DJ Wilson, PF, Michigan
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A few thoughts:

** It's more likely Monk will go in the top 8. He's expected to transition to PG and he's regarded as a better prospect than Ntilikina. Unless Ntilikina just wows in workouts, Monk and Frank would probably switch places, and Monk may go top 6 or 7.

** I think Patton is a better prospect than Ike Anigbogu as a 5, but with Nurkic and spot minutes from Vonleh, the Blazers have their 5 spot pretty much covered. They'll take BPA, but their weakness is the wing or the 4. They could be more prone to take Justin Jackson or their favorite of the PFs, possibly Leaf or John Collins.

** I know that Jeanne got some buzz at the combine and that the Bucks swing for upside in the form of athletic length, but they took Thon Maker last year, and he's a similar player to Jeanne. The Bucks want to move on from Greg Monroe and John Henson, while allowing Maker to develop as a perimeter-oriented player. This is where they would take a bulkier and more skilled inside-outside big, especially if there are long-term questions about Jabari Parker. I think they'd have a hard time passing on Patton if he's there. They could also take Anigbogu, Jarrett Allen, or maybe Bam.
 
Sterling Brown, Wesley Iwundu, Semi, Thornwell, Just a lot of good 3 and D potential in the second round. I think Brown is a sleeper as the raw numbers aren't there but I'd be stoked to have any of those guys at 42... one of them will be there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sterling Brown, Wesley Iwundu, Semi, Thornwell, Just a lot of good 3 and D potential in the second round. I think Brown is a sleeper as the raw numbers aren't there but I'd be stoked to have any of those guys at 42... one of them will be there.
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I think Devin Robinson needs to be in that conversation as well, though he's not quite the same level of prospect as Semi or likely Iwundu.
 
Catchall said:
I think Devin Robinson needs to be in that conversation as well, though he's not quite the same level of prospect as Semi or likely Iwundu.
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Haven't watched him... just heard guys talking about him and I get the impression he isn't a smart player. Agree that he's got the tools but I'd hope he goes Undrafted and sign him to a two way contract.
 
Looks like MSU was 17-1 and Semi and Sterling were key guys. Let's get both those guys.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Haven't watched him... just heard guys talking about him and I get the impression he isn't a smart player. Agree that he's got the tools but I'd hope he goes Undrafted and sign him to a two way contract.
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Devin Robinson -- 6'8" 200 lbs, good athlete, 7' wingspan
Shot 39% from 3 as a senior with 3+ attempts per game. Decent steal rate with some blocks.
He can spot-up, drive the ball and pretty much run all day.
Needs to get stronger, improve his handle and passing and finish better at the rim.

He'll probably go in the 40s, where he's a value pick. The Jazz worked him out with Josh Hart and Donovan Mitchell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVuVPEjQN_w
 
Curious how has made more NBA all star games? One year Rudy made an all NBA team and Blake was hurt. Get out with your homersim



QUOTE=Catchall;1425864]Why I argue with this guy....

Game 1 -- Clippers fully healthy, playing at home. Gobert gets injured on the first play of the game. Jazz win Game 1.
Game 4 -- Hayward out with food poisoning, Gobert hobbled and on a minutes restriction. Jazz win Game 4.
Game 5 -- Must-win for Clips, playing at home. Gobert still hobbled. Jazz win Game 5.
Game 7 -- Refs foul out Gobert in 12 minutes of game time with 3 bogus calls. Jazz blow out Clips and win the series.

Everyone healthy? Jazz win in 5 or maybe 6 games. Jazz > Clippers.

Rudy Gobert = All NBA
Blake = not so much

NoColorado = tard[/QUOTE]
 
Dante Josh Jackson is not the better fit for the lakers. Also yes Dad might have a mouth but Lonzo don't talk in the media and just goes out and play. Do you know it's a circus because TMZ tells you? How else would you know from Australia. As someone who spends lots of time in southern cali I can tell you Lonzo just goes and plays. Josh Jackson has no jumper neither and Lakers already have a sf for future. Jackson is not a sg.
 
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