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So I took a look at the top prospects with and without the next best player (or the one who effect their offensive role the most). The idea is to look at a prospect when they aren't playing with the guy who is changing their role the most. Take this with a grain of salt because the sample sizes are small.

Flagg w/o Kon: Pretty much the same across the board. More usage+ast% as expected. Efficiency about the same

Kon w/o Flagg: Usage up a bit, efficiency way down but still high. AST% goes up significantly.

Harper w/o Ace: Very similar.

Ace w/o Harper: Usage skyrockets, efficiency is lower, but not a major drop off. AST% even lower.

Edgecombe w/o Wright: Usage way up, efficiency is down sizably, AST% significantly rises.

Tre w/o Kaluma: Usage up a bit, efficiency similar (but more FT's), AST% rises slightly.

Fears w/o Moore: Usage is slightly up, efficiency increases a decent amount, AST% is unchanged.

Kas w/o Boswell: Usage slightly up, efficiency increases a TON, AST% increases significantly.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
He was 6' his junior year at HS. 6'5 senior year to w/e he is now
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Listed at 6'8 now....I'm not one to eagerly await a player's measurements, but he's definitely bigger now and that could explain how he's gotten so much better during his college career and is developing faster than his peers. He's not Thompson Twin level on the list of best athletes, but he's up there.
 
KqWIN said:
So I took a look at the top prospects with and without the next best player (or the one who effect their offensive role the most). The idea is to look at a prospect when they aren't playing with the guy who is changing their role the most. Take this with a grain of salt because the sample sizes are small.

Flagg w/o Kon: Pretty much the same across the board. More usage+ast% as expected. Efficiency about the same

Kon w/o Flagg: Usage up a bit, efficiency way down but still high. AST% goes up significantly.

Harper w/o Ace: Very similar.

Ace w/o Harper: Usage skyrockets, efficiency is lower, but not a major drop off. AST% even lower.

Edgecombe w/o Wright: Efficiency way up, efficiency is down sizably, AST% significantly rises.

Tre w/o Kaluma: Usage up a bit, efficiency similar (but more FT's), AST% rises slightly.

Fears w/o Moore: Usage is slightly up, efficiency increases a decent amount, AST% is unchanged.

Kas w/o Boswell: Usage slightly up, efficiency increases a TON, AST% increases significantly.
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It's nice to see you do this. Over the years, I've gone deeper and deeper with my prospect evaluations, and this is always one of the things I look at. Context matters (role, minutes, teammates, etc).
 
If anyone wanted to watch with me, Thiero's defense film starts at around 52 minutes on this video. My initial impressions:

- Wow this guy is super athletic. Explosive leaper and covers up so much ground. Defensive mistakes turn into highlights because he's so explosive
- Lot of possessions where he's matched up against opposing PG's. He's a great athlete, but not as laterally quick as someone like Jaden McDaniels. He can get beat off the dribble by the quickest guys.
- When it's not a super quick guard, he seems to stay in front well and he's built like a house. Can't overpower him.
- Seems to be involved in a lot of miscommunications....but you probably aren't finding clips of the switches that don't get messed up, only the switches that goes wrong
- Does gamble a bit
- Great defensive hands

He reminds me of DJJ. I think he's a little less quick, and nobody is quite as explosive as DJJ, but he probably has a lot more strength and has more size at the same age. Think he will be excellent guarding bigger wings and will probably have a better time matching up to physical forward types like Randle than matching up with quick PG's.
 
This is Jerry Engleman's board. If you don't know he is, he's a stats guy whose worked for the Mavs, Suns, and created ESPN's RPM back in the day. I'm only bringing up his board 1) it's different and I think we suffer from too much group think and 2) he's not making his board to be edgy like a random poster might. I've been following his draft reports, and while he's a stats guy, he's also done a lot of film watching. He has some weird takes, but I value some opinions that are different from the norm.

1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Ace Bailey
4. Collin Murray-Boyles
5. Kon Knueppel
6. Ben Saraf
7. Rasheer Fleming
8. VJ Edgecombe
9. Walter Clayton Jr.
10. Nolan Traoré
11. Kasparas Jakučionis
12. Tyrese Proctor
13. Jeremiah Fears
14. Jase Richardson
15. Asa Newell
16. Derik Queen
17. Danny Wolf
18. Carter Bryant
19. Khaman Maluach
20. Egor Demin
21. Tre Johnson
22. Nique Clifford
23. Miles Byrd
24. Alex Condon
25. Noa Essengue
26. Joan Beringer
27. Thomas Sorber
28. Labaron Philon
29. Will Riley
30. Liam McNeeley
 
KqWIN said:
This is Jerry Engleman's board. If you don't know he is, he's a stats guy whose worked for the Mavs, Suns, and created ESPN's RPM back in the day. I'm only bringing up his board 1) it's different and I think we suffer from too much group think and 2) he's not making his board to be edgy like a random poster might. I've been following his draft reports, and while he's a stats guy, he's also done a lot of film watching. He has some weird takes, but I value some opinions that are different from the norm.

1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Ace Bailey
4. Collin Murray-Boyles
5. Kon Knueppel
6. Ben Saraf
7. Rasheer Fleming
8. VJ Edgecombe
9. Walter Clayton Jr.
10. Nolan Traoré
11. Kasparas Jakučionis
12. Tyrese Proctor
13. Jeremiah Fears
14. Jase Richardson
15. Asa Newell
16. Derik Queen
17. Danny Wolf
18. Carter Bryant
19. Khaman Maluach
20. Egor Demin
21. Tre Johnson
22. Nique Clifford
23. Miles Byrd
24. Alex Condon
25. Noa Essengue
26. Joan Beringer
27. Thomas Sorber
28. Labaron Philon
29. Will Riley
30. Liam McNeeley
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Cool, getting Cooper Flagg and Tre johnson? I want what this guy is on
 
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