GAME 1(!): Your UTAH JAZZ hosting OKLAHOBOS -- Wednesday Oct30 7pm MST -- ROOT Sports

[Strutter]

Just read through all 35 pages. After going to the game last night, I thought there would be a lot of jubilation in here so I'm surprised by all the nitpicking and negativity. Still, it's better than the Facebook comments on the Jazz page haha.

Here are some of my random thoughts/responses.

I understand that there's still a little leftover venom for Corbin from years past, but I saw a difference last night. I really liked that he stuck with the group that got us back in the game. One of my biggest frustrations last season was watching our young guys hustle, play D, and get us back in the game, and then have the starters come in like clockwork and ruin the flow. This was an improvement and I think Corbin deserves praise for it. Also, I think going for two at the end was the right call. You never know if the opposing team will miss a pressure free throw and open up the court for you on the last shot. The coaching wasn't perfect obviously, but I saw some improvement.

About the rebounding, I actually think we're not going to be a top rebounding team this year. We have good rebounding players, but I heard Locke mention that Corbin is switching things to a system more like the Celtics where there is less emphasis on offensive rebounds and more emphasis on fast break defense. I think it will take a significant chunk of games to decide if that's a worthwhile change or not.

The refereeing was irritating, and I'm glad the TV-watchers can confirm that it looked bad from their end as well. Durrant got a ton of star calls that game. Also, there was one play towards the end of the game where Durrant crashed to the floor (I think he ran into Favors in a loose ball situation?) and then threw the ball at Favors while on the floor. Did anyone else catch that? That really pissed me off--especially because Favors has been thrown out of games for just throwing the ball period.

I think the re-emphasis on the delay of game call will be a good thing in the end. Remember that the referees will usually start the season strong with their "points of emphasis" but will back off as the season goes on. I think the same thing will happen here, and if there are less players hitting the ball away to slow the tempo that's a good thing.

To me, it was obvious that the contract extension thing was messing with Hayward's game. I think he was trying to play like the player the Jazz F.O. wants him to be at the end of the game and forced some shots on a shaky shooting night. I wouldn't look into it too much. I was impressed with his defense and he had a couple nice assists. Loved the Favors and Hayward pick and roll.

Good, balanced play from Favors and Kanter. This probably had me more excited than anything else I saw (even though Burks had the best game). I'm glad Corbin went right to Favors early in the game, even though he was guarded by Iblocka. I think it set a tone and gave Favors some confidence. Kanter had some maddening moments, but I have to remember that he is still relatively young and inexperienced. I love how he continually adds to his game.

Burks obviously had a great game, but he needs to find his shot again to be truly potent. I loved that 4th quarter drive on Durrant. How cool was that?

As far as being at the game, I thought the atmosphere was pretty good. The crowd got so loud in the 4th quarter that the players couldn't hear the shot clock buzzer. The intro video was so painful, haha. Did Rigby actually say it was the best ever? Also, they spelled DEREK Favors wrong in the intro <facepalm>

tl;dr I like to talk about basketball and it was a fun, encouraging game.

 

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Rigby knows all.

 

[franklin]

This was the first game in a long, long time (maybe ever) where we saw Burks repeatedly penetrating the paint (and splitting screens-- I lost it when I saw that) in a half-court setting. It was honestly sublime, and I really didn't see it coming.

It was awesome, because with each basket he made, you could just tell that his confidence was building. It was a bummer that he turned it over, and missed that floater-- the floater was a wide open look, that woulda brought it to within one.

I thought he looked much improved throughout the pre-season.

Last night he got going off a lot of scramble catch and drive situations where he excels, but I'm waiting for him to prove he can contribute when initiating.

Jefferson looks pretty bad at times when he's called on to catch the ball on the wing in late shot clock situations and initiate the bailout pnr. I thought he'd be a good option in the pre-season but he didn't have it last night at all (and clanking wide open threes like AK is obnoxious). Using Burks there in more of a catch and shoot or drive role might be better.

 

[addictionary]

Yeap, I remember that, but Jordanesque is a better word than English, don't you think?

Dayyum rite!

 

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I think the progression to that point where Burks is initiating runs through a developmental trajectory where they focus first on get him going in these "catch and scramble" ways. I've said all along that we need to let him do the things he does really well and let the other stuff come. It will. We wants it.

 

[addictionary]

Hate this rule.
I would rather have the guy catch the ball and throw it to the ref than let it hit off thier knee or something and go flying out of bounds.
Plus more whistles from the zebras is a bad thing imo

This-and forcing a game with senseless robotic rules into a mindless routine that is played best with high basketball intelligence is really lame and it's pure show-off from the association and the ref committee saying "We are here and we blow the whistle!"

Well you blew enough already!..

The rules should be applied with professional observation and should look for the obvious intention. If a bad-boy like a Piston does smth with the ball to obviously delay the game, you can even blow a harder technical. I'm OK with that. Hell eject him! But the Jazz game, the players mostly touched the ball out of pure reflex! I mean, what the hell man?

 

[One Brow]

Because I'm not holding back calling out people on their BS. Sorry I'm not a euphoric silver linings zombie

When I am complaining about how other people are treating me, I always make sure to include gratuitous insults to help improve the relationship.

As for the game, I was happy with the result. A good first showing against a very good team.

 

[franklin]

I think the progression to that point where Burks is initiating runs through a developmental trajectory where they focus first on get him going in these "catch and scramble" ways. I've said all along that we need to let him do the things he does really well and let the other stuff come. It will. We wants it.

How does catching and driving straight at the rim translate into maneuvering in traffic and making heady decisions within a split second?

 

[b_line]

How does catching and driving straight at the rim translate into maneuvering in traffic and making heady decisions within a split second?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVwFXtcQdCU
How long do you think he thought about making a decision to do a reverse?
What is considered traffic?

 

[green]

This-and forcing a game with senseless robotic rules into a mindless routine that is played best with high basketball intelligence is really lame and it's pure show-off from the association and the ref committee saying "We are here and we blow the whistle!"

Well you blew enough already!..

The rules should be applied with professional observation and should look for the obvious intention. If a bad-boy like a Piston does smth with the ball to obviously delay the game, you can even blow a harder technical. I'm OK with that. Hell eject him! But the Jazz game, the players mostly touched the ball out of pure reflex! I mean, what the hell man?

I think asking NBA refs to make an objective call is asking too much. If you did it your way, if Durrant drop kicked the ball it wouldn't be delay of game, but if the ball brushed off Favors as he turned around it would be delay of game.

 

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How does catching and driving straight at the rim translate into maneuvering in traffic and making heady decisions within a split second?

(You're right where I want you...)
You ask as if I should be able to explain this trajectory as a logical progression: first, you acquire X, then Y, then Z, then you can do it. Nothing is learned like that. The trajectory isn't rational.

You gotta teach thru feel, and that's especially true for less 'cerebral' players. If they do a couple of things on an elite level -- so elite that they can force those skills onto the flow of the game -- then you meet them there, at that feeling. Let them get comfortable here and then start adding wrinkles. You don't start by putting them in some pre-determined mold. Any good teacher of anything will tell you this. You make early errors teaching moments: tighten the handle, come up square-shouldered with your elbow coming thru the middle, release with your fingertips.... Etc.

The point is, you let Burks be his own artist. It's always felt likethe jazz expected him to be like Hornacek or gtfo. I love the mode we saw last night. I hope we see a lot more of those riffs. And I hope Corbs rides them like bitchin guitar solos.

 

[franklin]

(You're right where I want you...)
You ask as if I should be able to explain this trajectory as a logical progression: first, you acquire X, then Y, then Z, then you can do it. Nothing is learned like that. The trajectory isn't rational.

You gotta teach thru feel, and that's especially true for less 'cerebral' players. If they do a couple of things on an elite level -- so elite that they can force those skills onto the flow of the game -- then you meet them there, at that feeling. Let them get comfortable here and then start adding wrinkles. You don't start by putting them in some pre-determined mold. Any good teacher of anything will tell you this. You make early errors teaching moments: tighten the handle, come up square-shouldered with your elbow coming thru the middle, release with your fingertips.... Etc.

The point is, you let Burks be his own artist. It's always felt likethe jazz expected him to be like Hornacek or gtfo. I love the mode we saw last night. I hope we see a lot more of those riffs. And I hope Corbs rides them like bitchin guitar solos.

What I was saying was building on Burks' excellent catch and drive ability to learn to initiate is like saying you build on a player's post ability to learn how to be a pick and role ball handler.

I'll wait to see if he can develop this different part of his game.

 

[addictionary]

I think asking NBA refs to make an objective call is asking too much. If you did it your way, if Durrant drop kicked the ball it wouldn't be delay of game, but if the ball brushed off Favors as he turned around it would be delay of game.

lol I'm scared of Favors' ref season.

 

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What I was saying was building on Burks' excellent catch and drive ability to learn to initiate is like saying you build on a player's post ability to learn how to be a pick and role ball handler.

I'll wait to see if he can develop this different part of his game.

I think that's an exaggerated difference, but I agree it is a different skill-set.

But let's be honest: there isn't one way to initiate an offense. For example, there's a Stockton way, there's a Tony Parker way, there's a....

Letting Burks initiate by (a) getting on the break or (b) giving him a high pick and telling him to attack, would be to build directly off the catch and drive skills. Imo.

 

[fishonjazz]

(You're right where I want you...)
You ask as if I should be able to explain this trajectory as a logical progression: first, you acquire X, then Y, then Z, then you can do it. Nothing is learned like that. The trajectory isn't rational.

You gotta teach thru feel, and that's especially true for less 'cerebral' players. If they do a couple of things on an elite level -- so elite that they can force those skills onto the flow of the game -- then you meet them there, at that feeling. Let them get comfortable here and then start adding wrinkles. You don't start by putting them in some pre-determined mold. Any good teacher of anything will tell you this. You make early errors teaching moments: tighten the handle, come up square-shouldered with your elbow coming thru the middle, release with your fingertips.... Etc.

The point is, you let Burks be his own artist. It's always felt likethe jazz expected him to be like Hornacek or gtfo. I love the mode we saw last night. I hope we see a lot more of those riffs. And I hope Corbs rides them like bitchin guitar solos.

I think that's an exaggerated difference, but I agree it is a different skill-set.

But let's be honest: there isn't one way to initiate an offense. For example, there's a Stockton way, there's a Tony Parker way, there's a....

Letting Burks initiate by (a) getting on the break or (b) giving him a high pick and telling him to attack, would be to build directly off the catch and drive skills. Imo.

Love both of theses posts but especially the first one

 

[franklin]

(b) giving him a high pick and telling him to attack, would be to build directly off the catch and drive skills. Imo.

I said this here:

Jefferson looks pretty bad at times when he's called on to catch the ball on the wing in late shot clock situations and initiate the bailout pnr. I thought he'd be a good option in the pre-season but he didn't have it last night at all (and clanking wide open threes like AK is obnoxious). Using Burks there in more of a catch and shoot or drive role might be better.

The difference is it's a secondary pnr used when the primary breaks down. I'm waiting for him to prove he can initiate.

Also, what I meant by "more of a catch and shoot or drive role" is that it appears Jefferson can only catch and shoot in most situations.

 

[addictionary]

1st game of the season and 1st double-double for Kanter with 14 points and 10 rebounds in 29 minutes. He'll contribute more when he feels in full health.

Also, I realized that the nba.com highlights are full Jazz highlights; which I think shows how exciting this new squad is.

 

[Doublea]

1st game of the season and 1st double-double for Kanter with 14 points and 10 rebounds in 29 minutes. He'll contribute more when he feels in full health.

Also, I realized that the nba.com highlights are full Jazz highlights; which I think shows how exciting this new squad is.

It seemed like Kanter didn't play well, and then I went back and looked at his stats.

 

[addictionary]

It seemed like Kanter didn't play well, and then I went back and looked at his stats.

His game doesn't look pretty this season. He stays really shy from contact. I hope he will get past this attitude midway through the season. Avoiding hustle and contact part of his game leaves him to midrangers and open pick and rolls which he is not elite level yet. Compared to preseason, he was better on that matter. But still far away from the Gunther we know. Especially subbed in on clutch time, he looked like he was set to help the team to take the lead and forgot about his healing.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Lol. Looks like I picked a fight with a clique on here. I feel there are a lot who see what I'm saying as making sense. I'm not saying anything crazy. You all are being very petty and whiney. Telling people not to call OKC contenders when they aren't... Yeh I'm a real ****ing ****

I'm not in any clique but I know when someone is acting like a douche. My comments had to do with the way you are sounding to me. Nothing else.