Game 2: Utah at Golden State. TONIGHT! 830 ESPN

[sepanol]

Let me ask you some questions. I want your honest answers.

Do you think Exum improves next year? YES
Do you think trey lyles improves next year? YES
Do you think alec burks improves next year? NO
Do you think Derrick favors improves next year? MAYBE, IF HE IS HEALTHY
Do you think rodney hood improves next year? DEFINITELY
Do you think rudy gobert improves next year? TO SOME EXTENT YES
Do you think joel bolomboy improves next year? I DONT CARE
Do you think gordon hayward improves next year? I HOPE SO
Do you think joe johnson improves next year? NO
Do you think joe ingles improves next year? NO
Do you think george hill improves next year? NO
Do you think quin snyder improves next year? HELL YEAH
Do you think dennis lindsey has drafted well with late first round picks? YES BUT MADE A DISASTER WITH EARLY PİCKS IN RECENT YEARS (BURKE, KANTER, EXUM, THEN PASSING OVER LEONARD AND PICKING BURKS, PASSING BOOKER PICKING LYLES)
GOBERT WAS A LEPRECHAUN LUCK, NOONE EXPECTED THIS OUT OF HIM. AND RODNEY HOOD IS DECENT FOR HIS SEED. BUT STILL I DONT EXPECT TWO STARS FROM THIS YEARS LATE F.R. PICKS.

 

[Et tu Brute]

Locke is complaining that Exum can't go left. Well, where is the blame for our coaches not working with him while he was injured.

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Serious question.

Does Locke 'undress' any Jazz players like he does Exum?
Is there an agenda?

 

[sepanol]

It is always a bummer to lose but I like the fight that the Jazz put up and I feel hopeful that we can get game 3. If we win game 3 I think we have a chance at game 4 and can at least make GS work for this series.

I think we will win 3, but lose 4 in close game. 5th game will be most important for me. How hard we are fighting in that desperate situation. And how much we make things difficult for them. Wouldnt want to see a blowout lose in that game.

 

[Game6Conley]

Serious question.

Does Locke 'undress' any Jazz players like he does Exum?
Is there an agenda?

There's always an agenda with Locke, he's a company shill right? The agenda is of course these 2 words "Damage Control"... His opinions aren't authentic, they're swayed heavily by prejudice , he's CLEARLY got whats called A VESTED INTEREST..

He wants to keep the blame away from the front office and QS... Thats where his loyalties lie, tracing his loyalties back is simple as pie.. There's an agreement in place somewhere, obviously, He gets info in exchange for his loyalty, sometimes he bull****s to help lose the scent, can't fool me tho, I have a great nose for ******** and he's a ****ing patsy thru and thru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

Anyone with half a brain can see that Lindsey and QS have been overplaying their hands.. Severely.. Id go as far as calling it suffering from delusions of grandeur...

 

[fishonjazz]

Do you think Exum improves next year? YES
Do you think trey lyles improves next year? YES
Do you think alec burks improves next year? NO
Do you think Derrick favors improves next year? MAYBE, IF HE IS HEALTHY
Do you think rodney hood improves next year? DEFINITELY
Do you think rudy gobert improves next year? TO SOME EXTENT YES
Do you think joel bolomboy improves next year? I DONT CARE
Do you think gordon hayward improves next year? I HOPE SO
Do you think joe johnson improves next year? NO
Do you think joe ingles improves next year? NO
Do you think george hill improves next year? NO
Do you think quin snyder improves next year? HELL YEAH
Do you think dennis lindsey has drafted well with late first round picks? YES BUT MADE A DISASTER WITH EARLY PİCKS IN RECENT YEARS (BURKE, KANTER, EXUM, THEN PASSING OVER LEONARD AND PICKING BURKS, PASSING BOOKER PICKING LYLES)
GOBERT WAS A LEPRECHAUN LUCK, NOONE EXPECTED THIS OUT OF HIM. AND RODNEY HOOD IS DECENT FOR HIS SEED. BUT STILL I DONT EXPECT TWO STARS FROM THIS YEARS LATE F.R. PICKS.

Good answers though imo i dont understand how you could not answer yes for burks and favors. They cant get any worse. Unless their bodies are broken. But they are both still so young that i dont think that is the case.

 

[fishonjazz]

Im blown away by hayward. I have always been the leading the charge of saying we should trade him and that he isn't good enough and i didn't want them to match the charlotte offer.

He improved so much this year. At this point i think he is a second tier star. Tier one is mvp type players: Lebron, steph, Durant, The Brow, westbrook, Harden, kawhi (maybe im missing someone)
I think hayward is in the very next tier with guys like Wall, Irving, George, Derozan, Thomas, porzingas, towns, wiggins, Butler, Gobert, etc... and he is near the top of this tier imo. Plus he might be improving still.

 

[Et tu Brute]

Against this super teams we need contributions from everyone. You can't continue to play a player like Mack who gives you zero. We need to play Exum 20+ mins. We desperately need his athleticism and length. No more Mack. Also, id like to see Lyles, especially if Favors health is done for the year.

So much this.
Really there are only two established players I would be convinced to keep.
Hay and Gobert.

The two young players the Jazz need to be chip material are X and Lyles. I honestly think the FO made the right picks. Lyles has a complete offensive game arsenal (potential).

The rest are just nice pieces etc.....

 

[Deleted member 5000]

GSW is a team for the history books. Just enjoy them.

I'll be very impressed if we have an improved roster next season, I doubt it, Mack for instance though we love to hate him is a solid backup PG, if we lose him and Hill, our PG depth goes from a strength to a sore spot. Seems like next season were banking on Exum, Lyles, Hood so far.

Hayward is the only reason that was a game last night. He's the greatest since Stockton and Malone.

 

[Et tu Brute]

I really don't think Quin needs to panic and think about changing things up much. We've hung around these guys the first 2 games and especially tonight even with Hill down.

Blown out early in this game. Something needs to change.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Mack was 3-5 from 3pt land, tied for the most assists though he played less minutes than Hayward, 2 steals, 14 points, Mack had a good game, him Exum and Hayward. Joe Jesus had a decent game too.

 

[Et tu Brute]

He outplayed him tonight for sure

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Wat...

-13 matched the eye test.

He hustled, as he always does. But he sucked eggs on defense. Just cause he hustles doesn't make it effective.
He still looked for his own shot.

Good he made some 3s. But give me a break. (Fool's gold?)


Dante looked like a friggin superior physical specimen out there. He was the quickest player on the court by far - and one of the most intense.

His mistakes were aggressive ones. Which was great considering the passivity of the first quarter.

That 1st quarter was trash.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Anyone with half a brain can see that Lindsey and QS have been overplaying their hands.. Severely.. Id go as far as calling it suffering from delusions of grandeur...

Were you saying the same thing about the Warriors when they made the playoffs the first year with this group when they lost game 7 in the first round to the Clippers? Did they overplay their hand by trying to assemble a winning team?

 

[sepanol]

Good answers though imo i dont understand how you could not answer yes for burks and favors. They cant get any worse. Unless their bodies are broken. But they are both still so young that i dont think that is the case.

Im not sold on Burks. I dont think he will improve much. He will just fit better in another team. He would be better with chaotic team or fast paced team, i dont like his decision making, it is terrible. Making a really hard shot doesnt mean anything if you arent doing very fundamental things you are supposed to do in basketball. He should better leave and give us some cap space.

 

[Et tu Brute]

I swear [MENTION=249]NAOS[/MENTION] is the only other person capable of watching Mack without convulsing at the thought of Exum not playing.

And this clearly dictates how you appraise them both.

You are reacting to how posters drool over X.

I get it, but it's disingenuous.

I would be interested in your take on the back up situation.

IMO, Quin has failed here. And he has failed because he has not made a decision this late into the season who is the number 1 back-up. Having had 82 games and a whole playoff series - this is not good enough.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Mack has always been the backup PG, he sat during the season to let Exum and Neto develop and see what we got. Quin is a damn good choice imho, one of the best in the entire league.

Golden State is one of if not the best team in history.

 

[Et tu Brute]

This game was a lot faster, 101 pace.

Jazz disappointed with a poor offensive rebound rate of only 12%.

Biggest change this game was the Jazz actually got fast-break points, 18 and held GSW to 19. That is a huge win of this game.

This game was done very quickly.

I think this game is fool's gold!
It looks like we challenged them for 3 quarters. But how does that really work? Are you really challenging a team when they have no real incentive to do anything more than play 500 ball with you the rest of the way??

We were down 20!!!! in a blink of an eye. That sh*t was scary.

 

[Et tu Brute]

Impossible layup that barely missed and wasn't impossible at all?
What was the +/- for X again?

Dante sucks when given a short clock. Those two chucked up 3s were an example of that.
That is not his go. He was trying to bail out the team.
Farrrrk, Hayward put him in one of those spots!

That charge call was close.

 

[Et tu Brute]

Exum doesn't have the handle to play PG against the Warriors. You almost have to play him off ball.

This is just some bs that Locke whispers in Quin's ear before the bedtime story.

What? Curry goes for 10 steals against X. Or X doesn't go left, but gets to the rim anyway cause he is ten times the athlete of those guarding him.

X needs to figure out how to get to the line and finish more.
Add a strecth four (lyles) and you have yourself a team that can get out of the West.

 

[fishonjazz]

Im not sold on Burks. I dont think he will improve much. He will just fit better in another team. He would be better with chaotic team or fast paced team, i dont like his decision making, it is terrible. Making a really hard shot doesnt mean anything if you arent doing very fundamental things you are supposed to do in basketball. He should better leave and give us some cap space.

I didn't say burks would be great next year I just said he will improve almost certainly.
He only played in 42 games. He had the worst field goal% of his career (.399%). Worst 3 point% of his career (.329%). Played the lowest minutes per game of his career (15.5)

Even per 36 minute stats he had the lowest amount of assists per game of his career, 3rd lowest amount of ppg game of his career. Got to the line the 2nd lowest amount his career.
Only thing he did well was rebound. (Highest rebounds per game of his career)

He is a better player than those numbers he posted this season. He will almost guaranteed improve next year.
Burks is still only 25 years old at the start of this season.

Now favors.

Played in the least amount of games in his career.
2nd lowest field goal percentage of his career. 2nd lowest free throw percentage of his career. His per 36 numbers were the worst of his career for rebounds per game, points per game, and blocks per game.
Favors is only 25 years old at the start of this season.


Lyles couldn't play any worse. Career lows in everything basically.
He is 21 years old.

Exum is also only 21.

I would say it's a guarantee that those 4 players improve next season.


I don't think there is anyone on the team next year that you can guarantee will be worse other than maybe JJ due to age. But even he might get more comfortable/more chemistry with his coaches and teammates.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

This series reminds me of Rocky 4.
Golden State came out like a machine and knocked us down for the first 5 quarters. I think the 3rd and 4th Quarter of this game we had our, "He's Cut" moment. Golden State was trying to put us away and we actually fought back. There were several sets of possessions where we really played excellent defense.
I think we gain a lot of confidence from this game and win game 3.