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George Hill coming to Utah

Thee jazz fan said:
I did say I love it if Exum starts. He's not the threat that other pg's are to Exum's development because he's as much a combo guard as as he is a pg.


Ya so no one bug me tomorrow I've got to do some wheeling and dealing I need to concentrate


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Exum ain't starting next year if Hill is healthy.
 
I'm on board with this deal... Shows a clear direction. We are all in on keeping Hayward and moving forward with this core.

This signifies cakkes are bakked and pies might be on da window cooling.

In all likelihood several posters here will say how much they loved someone chosen 12 or after and look how much better that would have been. It will be great.
 
green said:
Hey, maybe Snyder is right. But, the Pacers agree with me.

I've made this perfectly clear, but you guys seem to want to ignore it:

I don't like that the Jazz took the older, cheaper option. It's the same issue I've had with the Jazz all offseason. Get good enough to battle for the 6-8 seed and make a ton of money.

If Exum pans out, this is an amazing trade.

If Exum doesn't pan out, Teague would have been the much better trade.

I would prefer the Teague trade because it is safer, although more expensive.

The Jazz took the cheaper, riskier route. If Exum doesn't pan out, we are screwed at PG in two years. Teague gives you a bigger window to have Exum develop.

Hill is a very good player. A Very good player. He fits Utah fine. He will make us a lot better. No one is arguing that.

My complaint all offseason has been this:

The Jazz don't do things all the way. They almost do things, then they chicken out to save some money.

The tank...but not completely. They still have Corbin and he is trying to win games and they end up with the fifth pick.

They gather assets...then let Kanter go for nothing. They let Millsap, Korver, Carroll, Jefferson go for nothing.

They have a goal of making the playoffs...then they don't bring in a starting PG, have one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA and miss the playoffs.

They have a shot at an All Star PG...they go after the cheap, older PG.

See the pattern? That is what all my whining is all about.

It's not Hill. Hill is great. He makes us a lot better. He is a very good player. The Jazz are trying to win now and Hill helps accomplish that.
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The jazz are screwed in two years? Sheesh. If Exum doesn't pan out and if Hill goes downhill super quickly in two years (doubtful), then you just sign or trade for another PG. It's not like this is our one and only chance to sign a point guard.
 
the future of the Jazz really relies on:
a) retaining Hayward
b) Exum, Hood, Lyles and Gobert continuing to improve

If this pans out, then maybe the team gets to 55 wins or so.
 
If the Jazz get back into the draft, I think they should pick a scoring big--someone who can score the ball from the 5 spot. Then we'd be fairly complete.
 
Stifle Tower said:
But we don't need Hill as an off guard. Hood, Burks and even Hayward can play there. Will Utah compete for a championship next season? If not, DL threw away a lottery pick for a one-and-done player. Far better to get a player on a rookie salary who has a CHANCE to develop and stay in Utah...and who would come much cheaper. DL just ate up valuable cap space, which may prevent him for going after any other significant FA.
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Why are you so convinced Hill is gone after a year? Have you read what his agent has said?
 
Catchall said:
If the Jazz get back into the draft, I think they should pick a scoring big--someone who can score the ball from the 5 spot. Then we'd be fairly complete.
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I guess Zimmerman is the one that fits best this description and is likely to be there for our second round pick.
 
fishonjazz said:
[MENTION=228]green[/MENTION]
If the jazz would have traded for teague and you came to this thread saying that the jazz should have got hill instead them I'm pretty sure that everyone would be arguing with you that teague is the better fit, better player, etc.
And that's ok. You have to remember that this is a jazz fanz forum. When we get a player we tend to really like that player more than all the other players. Remember big al? We all went ape **** (myself included) thinking about big al with d-will. We were posting big al highlight vids and stats and convincing ourselves how great he is.
Many many people on this site would rather have Hayward than lillard. Some would even take Hayward over klay or kyrie.
I love burks way more than other teams gm's, coaches, and fans. Many posters on this site love exum more than his actual value is.

My advice.... Just let this one go.
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I was so freaking excited to get Al. He was the low post scorer Boozer wasn't and he said he was going to defend. Him with Okur...we were freaking set.
 
colton said:
The jazz are screwed in two years? Sheesh. If Exum doesn't pan out and if Hill goes downhill super quickly in two years (doubtful), then you just sign or trade for another PG. It's not like this is our one and only chance to sign a point guard.
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sigh. nice leap there. real nice.
 
The more I think about this trade the more I like it. For example, remember the trouble this team had in the last few minutes of a close game. Might have been the biggest achilles' heel of this team. Now the Jazz can play Exum, Hill, Hayward, Favors, Gobert. Just try and score on that lineup.
 
green said:
sigh. nice leap there. real nice.
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I don't get it. You did say the jazz were screwed if Exum doesn't work out. In what way are they screwed? As I pointed out there are several options. Not sure what you think my "leap" was, not why you sighed.
 
I said the PG position would be screwed in two years if Exum doesn't pan out.

You said I said the Jazz would be screwed.
 
The PG position will be screwed if Exum doesn't pan out regardless of who else they brought in.

I'm fine with Hill. Personally would have preferred Teague, but I get why they valued Hill more. IF he extends his contract, this is a win for the Jazz. I think he's got at least 3 more good years in him and I think he's a great fit for the defensive identity that the Jazz are developing. Wish they'd have pulled this trade off at the deadline, and gotten a taste of the playoffs.

Wonder what happens to Mack now? 3rd PG again, or does he and Burke both get traded?
 
fishonjazz said:
[MENTION=228]green[/MENTION]
Remember big al? We all went ape **** (myself included) thinking about big al with d-will. We were posting big al highlight vids and stats and convincing ourselves how great he is.
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I didn't. I took a lot of **** for it. I was right.
 
Rgiss said:
Here's Lindsey's track record as a GM, making trades, along with my grades

2/10 June 27, 2013: Traded Gorgui Dieng and Shabazz Muhammad to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Trey Burke.

10/10 June 27, 2013: Traded Erick Green and cash to the Denver Nuggets for Rudy Gobert.

8/10 June 27, 2013: Traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick (can't find who) to the Atlanta Hawks for Raul Neto.

10/10 July 10, 2013: As part of a 3-team trade, the Utah Jazz traded Kevin Murphy to the Golden State Warriors; the Utah Jazz traded Randy Foye to the Denver Nuggets; the Denver Nuggets traded cash and a 2018 2nd round draft pick to the Utah Jazz; and the Golden State Warriors traded Andris Biedrins, Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush, a 2014 1st round draft pick (Rodney Hood), a 2016 2nd round draft pick, a 2017 1st round draft pick and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Utah Jazz.

Null June 26, 2014: Traded Jarnell Stokes to the Memphis Grizzlies for a 2016 2nd round draft pick.

Null July 10, 2014: Traded Diante Garrett to the Toronto Raptors for Steven Novak and a 2017 2nd round draft pick.

Null July 22, 2014: Traded John Lucas III, Erik Murphy and Malcolm Thomas to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Carrick Felix, cash and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Dani Diez).

3/10 (Could go up depending on next year's Thunder pick) February 19, 2015: As part of a 3-team trade, the Utah Jazz traded Enes Kanter and Steve Novak to the Oklahoma City Thunder; the Detroit Pistons traded a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Utah Jazz; and the Oklahoma City Thunder traded Grant Jerrett, Kendrick Perkins, Tibor Pleiss and a 2017 1st round draft pick to the Utah Jazz. (UTA 1st round pick received from OKC is protected.)

Null June 25, 2015: Traded Daniel Diez to the Portland Trail Blazers for cash considerations.

9/10 February 18, 2016: As part of a 3-team trade, the Utah Jazz traded a 2018 2nd round draft pick to the Chicago Bulls; the Atlanta Hawks traded Shelvin Mack to the Utah Jazz;

7/10 June 22, 2016: As part of a 3-team trade, the Utah Jazz traded a 2016 first round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks; the Indiana Pacers traded George Hill to the Utah Jazz.

Overall, on my odd grading metric, I give him an average of a (2,10,8,10,3,9,7)/7, 7/10 overall grade, so no, DL is not bad at making deals

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/lindsde99x.html
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A 9 for Mack and an 8 for Neto? Are you kidding? And the first trade was a 0. Burke is a bust, Giannis is a star and Adams is very good. And you can't just "null" out trades. Selling a pick or trading out for an even lower future pick represents a missed opportunity. Jazz should be drafting and stashing Euros if they have no roster room, not just throwing a couple million dollars extra into the Millers' pockets.
 
Stifle Tower said:
A 9 for Mack and an 8 for Neto? Are you kidding? And the first trade was a 0. Burke is a bust, Giannis is a star and Adams is very good. And you can't just "null" out trades. Selling a pick or trading out for an even lower future pick represents a missed opportunity. Jazz should be drafting and stashing Euros if they have no roster room, not just throwing a couple million dollars extra into the Millers' pockets.
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Giving up a 2nd round pick for Shelvin Mack was a great trade. Just because a trade doesn't bring in Kevin Durant doesn't mean it's a failure.
 
Nice!

If Teague is way better than Hill then he would cost way more than the #12 pick. Can't have everything.

I like this trade. I'll like it even when some dude or dudes that are picked in the 12-25 range become all-stars and people bring it up. Jazz rotation was short on "legit NBA players" last year. People were sick of having guys get way more minutes than they should for an NBA team. This trade gets them another proven player. Added defense and shooting from the sounds of it. Good.

I also think his draft is especially awful
 
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