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Joe Bagadonuts said:
They figured out that if he had said what they are claiming he said that it would have been a lie. He's pretty much toast.
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yeah the irony.
when accusing someone of lying the truth and facts don't matter anymore.

stocked you now got **** on your face. you did not only step on it. you proceeded to put your face in the pile of ****
 
Obamas book was filled with more fiction and talked about cocaine and marijuana.
the mainstream liberal media loved it.

but because ben carsons bookmain theme is john 3:16, the liberal media hates it. and then they hunted in the books for "inaccuracies".

hypocrites i tell ya
 
Several news sites are being extremely critical of the Politico piece on ben Carson and West Point.

Basically they are saying Politico straight up lied about it. Interesting.
 
Stoked said:
Several news sites are being extremely critical of the Politico piece on ben Carson and West Point.

Basically they are saying Politico straight up lied about it. Interesting.
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thats what i been saying from beginning. at first they ragged on ben, ben attacjked them. the public attacked media so now they are screwed.
 
btw this blatant attack by the liberal leftist media only strengthens ben carson, their was a spike in his donations after this piece by democratico i mean politico

only ******* trust the liberal left media.
only "sheeples" trust the media, and fall for their propaganda
 
and you know what sickens me!

democratico made a mistake, certain people will stand by what democratico said, even after the truth came out there are people still standing by democratico's story.
democratico does not have comon decency to run a huge add on their frontage saying guess what we where wrong. no they just edited(and deleted?) the original story.
they damaged ben carson to the left, so it will be harder to get "swing votes"
just stroll on twitter and u see lots of "ben carson lied" memes, people who are sheeple and stupid will believe the democratico story and this in cause led ben carson to lose some swing votes.


democratico is disgusting :P



they do not deserve to be called politico as they are clearly left leaning.
 
colton said:
True story: I had a dream last night that I was part of the next Republican debate. Apparently the debate was in my town (not sure where that was in dream-land, probably not Orem), in a high school that had a gym like an LDS "cultural hall", i.e. with a stage to the side. I and a couple of my friends decided to declare for the Republican nomination on the spot and somehow were offered spots on the stage. Or maybe just I was offered a spot and my friends weren't. We probably decided to declare because of a general dissatisfaction of the Republican candidates (Rubio wasn't there). There weren't any chairs, though, the candidates just had to sit on the edge of the stage with their legs hanging off into the gym area. I was seated right next to Trump.

I wasn't getting much screen time until Trump started attacking me (don't know for what). He turned to me and started poking and prodding me with his finger. I let it pass a couple of times (guess my nature is like Hayward and the wet willy), but then got fed up and said something like "Listen, Mr. Trump. I've had enough. If you touch me one more time I will push you off this stage and you will land on the gym floor." Trump apparently took my threat seriously, and didn't touch me again the rest of the debate.

Later, towards the end of the debate, the moderator asked me a question, but I didn't quite catch the topic. So I did what politicians always do and answered a different question instead. I said, "Well, before I answer that question, let me point out what just happened here earlier in the debate. I gave Mr. Trump a clear ultimatum. I drew a line in the sand, stated what my position was, and because Mr. Trump believed me, he took my statement seriously. This is exactly how I will run my foreign policy. I will state America's positions clearly, I will maintain 100% honesty with the other world leaders, and if they press me, I will indeed follow through with what I have promised the ramifications will be." I continued, "Likewise, I will maintain 100% honesty in my domestic affairs. I will strive to work with leaders of BOTH parties, and because they too will trust me to keep my word when I tell them how I feel and want I want to accomplish, they will be willing to work with me as well. Together we will find ways to make this country even better, ways that will benefit the ENTIRE country, not just those on one side or the other." That got an ovation from the audience.

I went on like that a bit more, and then time was up for the debate. (Good thing, too, because I never did find out what the question was that I was supposed to be answering.) When the polls came out, I was tied with Trump as winner of the debate, something like 30% each, and my threat to push Trump off the stage was universally seen as the highlight of the debate.

Pretty awesome dream. I don't usually have ones that are that vivid.

Moral of the story: apparently I'm fed up with most of the Republican field, and with honesty of politicians in general. And it seems very possible that starting to use a CPAP for sleep apnea can make you have weird dreams.
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Seriously, nobody liked my "threaten to push Trump off the stage" dream?
 
I came back to this thread after a few days. I have to say that the response here from Dutch and Joe is simply surreal.

To honestly claim that Carson's book is coming out looking like it had no fabrications is bizarre. The current politico lead on that is as follows:

Editor’s note: POLITICO stands by its reporting on this story, which has been updated to reflect Ben Carson’s on the record response. The original story and headline said that Carson’s campaign had admitted he "fabricated" a "full scholarship" from West Point, but now Carson denies that his campaign’s statement constituted such an admission, and the story and headline were changed to reflect that. POLITICO’s reporting established that Carson said he received a "full scholarship" from West Point, in writing and in public appearances over the years — but in fact he did not and there is actually no such thing as a "full scholarship" to the taxpayer-funded academy. And today in response to POLITICO he acknowledged for the first time that was not the case. Carson never explicitly wrote that he had applied for admission to West Point, although that was the clear implication of his claim to have received an offer of a "full scholarship," a point that POLITICO’s initial report should have made clear.
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As the New York times noted, Ben Carson has said he received a full scholarship multiple times during his public appearances in the following years. Additionally, his other books make the claim of a scholarship more specifically clear.


In a later book, “You Have a Brain,” he described how he had decided which college to attend: “I still had the scholarship offer from West Point as a result of my R.O.T.C. achievements,” he wrote.
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I'm not certain it is really debatable that he's made that claim, or that it is untrue. As a result, the most charitable read is that he was mistaken. If that's the case, he should just say so.

The following few days have poked all kinds of holes in the Carson biography, he appears to have bizarrely fabricated a story about a psychology test that, paradoxially, was supposed to demonstrate how fundamentally honest he was. Further, it appears that the famous "pulled a knife" story is probably untrue. Also, there appears to be no way to verify his story about shielding white students during a race riot. Which is strange since presumably those students would remember that it happened.

I don't really care if he lied, I just enjoy the circus. But I'm surprised at all the gymnastics that Dutch and Joe are doing to apparently purposely close their ears to things that should be troubling to people who are beating the "lies" drum so hard re: Hillary.
 
Also, I 100% want to buy this book:

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EDIT: My wife has the best answer for how to account for the stabbing story.

The Madame said:
Important note: his memoir claims he stabbed "Bob" "with all the force of my young muscles" - maybe the reason no one recalls the stabbng is that he didn't use a knife? (I'm saying he banged Bob)
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There's a reason I married her.
 
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DutchJazzer said:
Ok believe what you want.
wonder if you hold obola to the same standards in his book dreams from my father.

cus seems in that book its ok to lie and if we criticized it we where labeled racist
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Dutch also negged me, which is sort of comical.

You're definitely arguing against a straw man here, as I've literally said not a single word about Obama's book or even about Obama at all. If you read my post above I said that I "don't really care if [Carson] lied."

You realize there is no reason you have to defend Carson. You choose the hills that you die on.

For those of us that just like the theater and drama, Carson and Trump is a perfect storm. Donald Trump may be a troll in the emotional thrall of the Clintons, or a crazy racist, or a crazy racist troll being horse whispered by Bill Clinton, but one thing's for sure: he was born to make fun of Ben Carson on that stage tomorrow. Can't wait to watch.
 
DutchJazzer said:
Ok believe what you want.
wonder if you hold obola to the same standards in his book dreams from my father.

cus seems in that book its ok to lie and if we criticized it we where labeled racist
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So you're still going to vote for Ben Carson then? Oh, wait...
 
Gameface said:
So you're still going to vote for Ben Carson then? Oh, wait...
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cant vote, but im hoping for the best. since whatever obama screwed up the middle east and that's close to home. so you act like i got no stake in this presidential race. but i think i got a bigger stake then most americans. cus oboma screwed up the middle east hand gift wrapped Iran a bomb.
so YES you might think its retarded to watch another countries presidential race this closely. but that's because there are no stakes for you guys in foreign governments as big as obamas cancerous nuclear deal and his whole handling of the middle east
 
Sirkickyass said:
I came back to this thread after a few days. I have to say that the response here from Dutch and Joe is simply surreal.

To honestly claim that Carson's book is coming out looking like it had no fabrications is bizarre. The current politico lead on that is as follows:



As the New York times noted, Ben Carson has said he received a full scholarship multiple times during his public appearances in the following years. Additionally, his other books make the claim of a scholarship more specifically clear.




I'm not certain it is really debatable that he's made that claim, or that it is untrue. As a result, the most charitable read is that he was mistaken. If that's the case, he should just say so.

The following few days have poked all kinds of holes in the Carson biography, he appears to have bizarrely fabricated a story about a psychology test that, paradoxially, was supposed to demonstrate how fundamentally honest he was. Further, it appears that the famous "pulled a knife" story is probably untrue. Also, there appears to be no way to verify his story about shielding white students during a race riot. Which is strange since presumably those students would remember that it happened.

I don't really care if he lied, I just enjoy the circus. But I'm surprised at all the gymnastics that Dutch and Joe are doing to apparently purposely close their ears to things that should be troubling to people who are beating the "lies" drum so hard re: Hillary.
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You've brought up numerous new claims of lies that I have never before heard about in this post. The only one I previously knew about requires no mental gymnastics to recognize as bad journalism. The agenda of the reporter is clear. I am amazed that anyone would consider Politico to be a credible news source upon learning that they published the originally deceptive piece. Among other things, it claimed that they had an exclusive admission from Carson that he "fabricated" his story. They never had any such thing. I'm not surprised that they pulled it. They should apologize, but they won't.
 
colton said:
OK, looked into it. Seems pretty questionable. However, I haven't heard Carson's response to the WSJ article yet and the WSJ being unable to verify the story is different than being able to prove it false. (Granted, being able to prove it false would be nearly impossible.) Seems possible that Carson misremembered the course name, or something like that, so I'll be skeptical but withhold judgment for the time being. But either way--whether it's an honesty issue or whether it's a memory issue--is not a good sign for someone who wants to be President.
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Interesting verification of most of the details of the psychology exam story.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...-we-did-the-prank-test-that-carson#.luvZ7jYrd

A former staff member of the Yale Record says that he recalls many of the details of a prank that Dr. Ben Carson wrote about in an autobiography.

The incident has been the subject of media coverage in recent days, after the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday that it found no evidence to support Carson’s claim that he was a victim of a hoax that led him to take a fake psychology test, as he wrote in his 1990 autobiography, Gifted Hands.

In an interview with BuzzFeed News on Monday, Curtis Bakal, an editorial assistant at the satirical Yale Record who says he helped write the fake test, said he was “99% certain the way Carson remembers it is correct.”

“When I read about the story in the Wall Street Journal, I immediately said, to my wife and friend, ‘That was the prank we played at the Record! And Ben Carson was in the class,’” said Bakal, who noted he wasn’t actually present during the taking of the fake test. “We did a mock parody of the Yale Daily News during the exam period in January 1970, and in this parody we had a box that said: ‘So-and-so section of the exam has been lost in a fire. Professor so-and-so is going to give a makeup exam.’”

“We got a room to do the test in and one of us from the Record impersonated a proctor to give the test,” he said.

Over the weekend, Carson produced a link to a Yale Daily News account of the hoax. The Yale Daily News article describes an edition of the Record that was a total parody of the Yale Daily News, complete with fake articles meant to sound serious. In one article, the Record informed students that their exams had been destroyed and they needed to redo them.

Copies of the 1970 edition of the Record are not available at Yale’s library, an official told BuzzFeed News. (The school’s archives end in 1969 and don’t pick up again until the late 1970s.)

BuzzFeed News spoke to more than a dozen people listed on the Record masthead in 1969 — the year prior to the alleged hoax. No one besides Bakal could remember the incident, but a number had not been involved with the Record during that school year, or were only loosely involved. Some also noted that the prank did not sound out of the ordinary for the Record.

Lew Schwartz, the author of the Yale Daily News article mentioning the prank, told BuzzFeed News on Monday that he had not personally witnessed the exam and had reported it because “I guess we had heard that some folks had showed up.”

“To my knowledge we didn’t send anyone over to cover the story,” he added, noting that the Daily News had partly written the story to clarify that the issue of the Record posing as the Daily News was not, in fact, the Daily News.

Meanwhile, Carson suggested on Sunday that the Journal owed him an apology and, reached by BuzzFeed News on Monday, he was again critical of the paper.

“Their research teams are not very good,” Carson said over the phone. “I would have thought they would have crackerjack research teams. It really says something horrendous about their investigative abilities.”

In Gifted Hands, Carson writes that after reading that the examination papers for his psychology class, which he calls “Perceptions 301,” had “inadvertently burned,” he went to take a makeup exam along with about 150 of his peers. The tests, the story goes, were much harder than anything they’d studied, “so intricate that I figured a brilliant psychiatrist might have trouble with them.” Carson says that all the students walked out of the test, some saying they planned to tell their teacher they hadn’t seen the notice about the makeup exam. By the end, only he remained, at which point, he says, a Yale Daily News photographer showed up to snap a photo and the professor of the class told him it was a hoax. According to Carson, who casts the incident as an inspirational tale (rather than a college prank), the professor then awarded him $10 for being “the most honest student in the class.”

Carson writes that the incident occurred during his junior year, during a time when he was badly in need of money.

A Yale librarian told the Wall Street Journal that no courses called “Perceptions 301” were taught at Yale during Carson’s time there. At the time, the Yale Daily News noted that the psychology class was called Psychology 10 and that the prank occurred during Carson’s freshman year. BuzzFeed News confirmed on Monday that there was a course called Psychology 10 taught during that semester of Carson’s Yale career.

Bakal, the Record editorial assistant at the time, remembered other details about the prank that are compatible with Carson’s account, such as the unusual difficulty of the test. “Several students showed up, and the fake exam, a parody of exam — in fact, it had real psych questions, because I had taken the class the year before, but it was a more difficult and probing personal exam,” he said.

Because he did not witness the fake test, however, he could not confirm that Carson — or only one student — was there at the end of class. But Bakal also backed up Carson’s claim that “at the end what few students remained — it may have just been one or two, I wasn’t there — received a small cash prize.” Bakal noted a staffer from the Record “impersonated a proctor to give the test.” (Carson said a professor had given him the cash prize in his written account.)

Speaking on Sunday, Carson appeared to ascribe some of the discrepancies to his co-author and the passage of time.

“You know, when you write a book with a co-writer and you say that there was a class, a lot of time they’ll put a number or something just to give it more meat,” he said. “You know, obviously, decades later, I’m not going to remember the course number.”
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So he got the year and the course number wrong. And apparently what he thought was an actual psych experiment was a prank and the guy he thought was a professor who gave him the cash award at the end was an impersonator. But overall, pretty close.
 
Oh, and I guess you could either view the award as a Most Honest award, as he presented it in his book, or maybe a Most Gullible award.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You've brought up numerous new claims of lies that I have never before heard about in this post.
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What do you want me to say? Read something?

Most of these appear to go to self-aggrandizing dumb lies. Things that don't really matter. I lump them in with the embarrassing Hillary lie about running to a helicopter in eastern europe while being shot at. It sounds great, it might even have been how it felt, but it's not a thing you should be running around saying. At least Ben Carson has, so far, not tried to tell a truly outrageous lie.

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Details for tonight's show:

Only eight debaters: Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee have been relegated to the undercard debate. That sucks for them but is fine for us because neither of them was particularly amusing or entertaining.

Donald Trump is likely to go after Carson's fibs: Shameless and inevitably hilarious.

Jeb Bush: Is he alive? Who knows?

Marco Rubio: Will he figure out he has to beat Carson and Trump, or does he keep attacking Jeb Bush?

Scott Walker: He's not in the race anymore but the debate is in Milwaukee. Does Scott show up to ask a question? God I hope so.
 
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