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Gordon Monson is getting destroyed on Twitter...

I always thought Hayward was a solid player for us but overrated. He never led us to anything substantial. Never an alpha. Never elite at anything. He is massively overpaid now and that has nothing to do with the injury.

He is a Level 3 borderline Level 2 player. He is not a Level 1 guy who can carry his team to great heights. To win a title, he is best suited as a 3rd best option (Level 3).

Mitchell would not be what he is if Hayward is here. DM needed the keys to the car to learn to drive. Never would have happened with GH around. Everything happens for a reason.

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My question is this, if Hayward would have stuck around would his huge contract been a factor when it comes time to throw money at Mitchell in a few years? Or any other players we need to throw money at? If the answer is yes, then I am glad he's gone. As has been mentioned, Hayward wasn't leading us anywhere. He's a great piece to the puzzle (but not at his current price).
 
Surely said:
My question is this, if Hayward would have stuck around would his huge contract been a factor when it comes time to throw money at Mitchell in a few years? Or any other players we need to throw money at? If the answer is yes, then I am glad he's gone. As has been mentioned, Hayward wasn't leading us anywhere. He's a great piece to the puzzle (but not at his current price).
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Have to agree with this. Hayward is a great 2nd piece. But him vs. Spida? Not even close.
 
LoPo said:
I always thought Hayward was a solid player for us but overrated. He never led us to anything substantial. Never an alpha. Never elite at anything. He is massively overpaid now and that has nothing to do with the injury.

He is a Level 3 borderline Level 2 player. He is not a Level 1 guy who can carry his team to great heights. To win a title, he is best suited as a 3rd best option (Level 3).

Mitchell would not be what he is if Hayward is here. DM needed the keys to the car to learn to drive. Never would have happened with GH around. Everything happens for a reason.

Go Jazz

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He's at least level 2 people forget how good Hayward was last year
Surely said:
My question is this, if Hayward would have stuck around would his huge contract been a factor when it comes time to throw money at Mitchell in a few years? Or any other players we need to throw money at? If the answer is yes, then I am glad he's gone. As has been mentioned, Hayward wasn't leading us anywhere. He's a great piece to the puzzle (but not at his current price).
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No
 
Why are people so paranoid about Mitchell not teaching his potential with Hayward here, sure he wouldn't be scoring 20 a game, but neither would Hayward, and Mitchell at some point would've overtaken Hood still, and taken over for Hayward as the Alfa scorer, no doubt in my mind, because that's his nature, and Hayward's nature is to defer
 
A few observations, I haven't read the thread, so these may be repeating what's already been said:

1. Monson didn't compose or send the Tweet. His editors did. Hate on him as much as you want, doesn't matter to me, but hate on him for the right reason. It seems evident that his editors were motivated by maximizing clicks and eyeballs. That's on them, not Monson. (I neither hate nor love Monson, I'm indifferent to him. I think he's an average columnist, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. Certainly not worthy of so much passionate feeling.)
2. Here's betting that the large majority (including Simmons) didn't actually read the column but were just responding to the tweet.
3. The column itself is pretty innocuous and, frankly, there's precious little there I disagree with or find objectionable.
4. The timing of the article is -- and this is a shocker -- because the Jazz are playing Boston in SLC today. He makes this clear in the column, if those dissing him had cared to read it. This is perhaps one of the stupidest takes on the whole thing.
5. Boston fans complaining about us complaining about Hayward is rich for a collective fan base that can't quit their hatred for Ray Allen. That's like Clinton criticizing Trump for marital infidelity.
6. Bill Simmons is the biggest Celtic fanboy out there; it's pathetic for someone who's supposed to be a credible media figure. He's got his head so far up the Celtic's backside, I'm surprise he could even find this tweet through all the brown matter filling his eyes.
7. For those people worrying about how this makes Jazz fans appear misinformed, consider the source--national sports writers who don't care to become informed about the Jazz and Jazz fanbase (and thus rank hypocrites if that's their take) and overly emotional but-hurt snowflake Celtic fans whose obsession with Ray Allen far surpasses anything going on here with Hayward. Consider the source.
8. Sports fans need to take a deep breath and calm the F down. Is this REALLY so worth all the emotional energy expended for it?
9. While Hayward was here, I was a huge fan. I now feel about him like kind of like I would feel about a girlfriend/spouse to whom I invested 7 years of my life and emotional energy, and who then left me for greener pastures and wrote a blog post to tell me. She can go F herself.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
A few observations, I haven't read the thread, so these may be repeating what's already been said:

1. Monson didn't compose or send the Tweet. His editors did. Hate on him as much as you want, doesn't matter to me, but hate on him for the right reason. It seems evident that his editors were motivated by maximizing clicks and eyeballs. That's on them, not Monson. (I neither hate nor love Monson, I'm indifferent to him. I think he's an average columnist, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. Certainly not worthy of so much passionate feeling.)
2. Here's betting that the large majority (including Simmons) didn't actually read the column but were just responding to the tweet.
3. The column itself is pretty innocuous and, frankly, there's precious little there I disagree with or find objectionable.
4. The timing of the article is -- and this is a shocker -- because the Jazz are playing Boston in SLC today. He makes this clear in the column, if those dissing him had cared to read it. This is perhaps one of the stupidest takes on the whole thing.
5. Boston fans complaining about us complaining about Hayward is rich for a collective fan base that can't quit their hatred for Ray Allen. That's like Clinton criticizing Trump for marital infidelity.
6. Bill Simmons is the biggest Celtic fanboy out there; it's pathetic for someone who's supposed to be a credible media figure. He's got his head so far up the Celtic's backside, I'm surprise he could even find this tweet through all the brown matter filling his eyes.
7. For those people worrying about how this makes Jazz fans appear misinformed, consider the source--national sports writers who don't care to become informed about the Jazz and Jazz fanbase (and thus rank hypocrites if that's their take) and overly emotional but-hurt snowflake Celtic fans whose obsession with Ray Allen far surpasses anything going on here with Hayward. Consider the source.
8. Sports fans need to take a deep breath and calm the F down. Is this REALLY so worth all the emotional energy expended for it?
9. While Hayward was here, I was a huge fan. I now feel about him like kind of like I would feel about a girlfriend/spouse to whom I invested 7 years of my life and emotional energy, and who then left me for greener pastures and wrote a blog post to tell me. She can go F herself.
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Agree with this post. For me...wish him well, boo the hell out of him when he finally comes back one day, and just appreciate and love Donovan. There's really no reason to lament what happened anymore. It happened. The column wasn't that bad, the tweet wasn't great. Who really cares though? Every fan base/media, especially Boston has no right to talk. Boston fans are absolutely terrible, put them on notice if they're criticizing this article, tweet, or whatever cause they are horrible. We have Donovan, and we should be thankful for that. There's several things that make us happier to have him than basically anyone else in the league, that doesn't mean Haywards 7 years here meant nothing and hes not a good player, just that Donovan has been so perfect to have and as good of medicine for what happened as any other possible scenario.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Nothing says “we’re over you” like an article bashing a dude laid up in bed with a cast on his leg who led the team out of the gutter and to a playoff series win.
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Perhaps forgetting about the Stifle Tower here? If we were led out of the gutter, he was the man in the lead! I think perhaps Snyder had a bit to do with it also.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
Perhaps forgetting about the Stifle Tower here? If we were led out of the gutter, he was the man in the lead! I think perhaps Snyder had a bit to do with it also.
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Let’s not forget the two games in that series Joe Johnson basically won us.
 
I'm just stopping by this thread to express how much I absolutely loathe Gordon Monson. He embarrases me as a Jazz fan and I wish he would go away.
 
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I'll just add some of the other idiotic things that Monson has done that I can remember:

--In the 90's he wrote a lengthy piece mocking the way that Karl Malone talked and made several jokes, with racial undertones, about his education and upbringing. Ironic, given that Monson likely makes more grammatical errors in each column, on average, than any other sports' journalist.

--In 2013 he wrote a piece saying Jefferson and Milsap needed to be traded. After Utah let them walk, he railed at Lindsey for letting them go for 'nothing.' Then, just a couple of years later, he railed at Lindsey again for trading Kanter instead of keeping him because he felt the trade was 'unfair' and Lindsey should have kept him, even if that meant Kanter would walk for nothing. He's completely intellectually inconsistent.

Just a couple of examples to show that he's a sheltered human being that knows very little about the rural south and a complete moron when it comes to how basketball actually works. And that's only two - his CV is a treasure trove of brain-dead, awful articles.

I was mainly just thrilled to see the emperor getting called out for not having clothes.

Also, he whines all the time. He sounds miserable.
 
We don't give a **** about your Monson hate, sorry. Maybe you'd have a more receptive audience if you just pm'd your rants to Spinoza.
 
Siro said:
We don't give a **** about your Monson hate, sorry. Maybe you'd have a more receptive audience if you just pm'd your rants to Spinoza.
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Speak for yourself. No one anointed you spokesman for the JazzFanz forums, Siro.
 
So Boston fans justify being furious with Ray Allen after he won a championship with them and left. They tried to trade him 400 times but he can’t go to their rival. He was like their 4th or 5th best player at that point. He wanted a ring and went with the better situation.

We can’t be mad at the guy we developed from Opie to captain America and catered to his every wish for taking a situation that was mildly better but has no likely shot at a championship for the next 2/3 years. We invested millions but we should be happy cuz he released a blog post saying nice things about one of our former players and his new coach... a post he almost surely got paid for after he lied to is saying he hadn’t made up his mind but really just wanted to get his post out... never called the lady or the guys... but yeah they are totally justified because he went to a rival and we are a spurned lover and a small minded small market team.

That said Monson is a bad writer and this was really pretty meh. Infections piece would be much better.
 
I don't really like Monson. He is right doe. Mitchell is better than Hayward.

Also I kinda wish Monson would egg Bill Simmons on. It's always funny to see him cry.
 
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