"Hey Karl - you're lying." "He can't be counted on." etc. - The Official Following Greg Miller
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richgates
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Anyone who has followed the Jazz as long as many of us all have know about Karl and his "candidness". For me, the issue isn't about who is telling the truth. It is about doing what is best for your franchise and its future. Greg could be 100% right with his comments, but who does that help? Does anyone think that this could possibly have a positive effect on free agency? Getting good players to come play in Utah is hard enough. Greg comes across to me looking petty and immature, especially to a man who did so much for the franchise. If he felt that something needed to be said publicly to defend the organization, he should have hired a professional to write it so it didn't come across the way he did, to me. I am not defending Karl for his comments now, or anytime in the past, but the man gave it his all every time he laced up and went out on the court. How many players can you say have done that in the past 20+ years?
InGameStrategy
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Although his Johnson was usually off to one side or the other ....
JAZZFAN_2814
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There's no question Greg is right.
No, the only question is how right.
Like is he Hitler-invading-Russia-right, or Napoleon-invading-Russia-right?
If there were any mistakes by the Millers over the years, it was in being too tactful and too loyal. Both Malone and Sloan stayed way past their sell-date.
I mean, look, Salt Lake City has some of the best culture in the world and is now a Free Agent destination without Sloan chasing off all the young talent. Also, the food is amazing, coming in second only to the beer.
Mitt Romney getting the majority of votes there is because of his policies, Greg Miller has a great haircut and the Utah Jazz Front Office always cared about winning.
It's amazing how "complete ********" to the rest of the country translates to "common sense" in utah, isn't it?
No, the only question is how right.
Like is he Hitler-invading-Russia-right, or Napoleon-invading-Russia-right?
If there were any mistakes by the Millers over the years, it was in being too tactful and too loyal. Both Malone and Sloan stayed way past their sell-date.
I mean, look, Salt Lake City has some of the best culture in the world and is now a Free Agent destination without Sloan chasing off all the young talent. Also, the food is amazing, coming in second only to the beer.
Mitt Romney getting the majority of votes there is because of his policies, Greg Miller has a great haircut and the Utah Jazz Front Office always cared about winning.
It's amazing how "complete ********" to the rest of the country translates to "common sense" in utah, isn't it?
chawx
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JAZZGASM
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Unreliable? How many games did Karl miss? How many practices?
I'll be the first one to say that I didn't like a lot of Malone's theatrics off the court, but for Greg Miller to call him unreliable is a joke.
G Miller is an arrogant POS.
I'll be the first one to say that I didn't like a lot of Malone's theatrics off the court, but for Greg Miller to call him unreliable is a joke.
G Miller is an arrogant POS.
You sir are a liar. This post is not true.
I tried to call your front office people, but they didn't answer.
It's real easy for somebody that is not an owner to say what an owner should, or shouldn't do.
You could be right, maybe it would have been better if he stayed quiet on the issue, but then again I think it was a lose-lose situation he was put in.
I can't fault the guy for attempting to state what he feels is the truth in defense of an attack on him.
If he didn't speak up, how many people would take that as an admittance of guilt, or that what Malone said was 100% truth?
By the way, this publicity could be just the thing that will distract the team so we can get a good draft pick with our own pick.
We do hold the rights to our own pick don't we? (for those that don't know my posting habits... this last line is a joke.... well, most lines are dripping with sarcasm/humor/whatnot)
Great, now all the posts are about how Greg is part of the 1%.
Occupy ESA.....that's just what we need here.
Occupy ESA.....that's just what we need here.
This is a perfectly ironic critique of the situation. At least you didn't call anyone names or make broad, negative statements that fail to understand the complexity of the human experience. I'm a bit guilty in doing this myself by responding.
Mr. McGibblets
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Locke with some interesting insight. Believes the jazz were already planning on trading Deron before Slown quit. That would somewhat debunk the whole "it's Deron or me" type claim some have claimed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53E5Vzq44z8&sns=em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53E5Vzq44z8&sns=em
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trigg3r
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I hope the liar comment was making light the current Malone situation. As for being an NBA owner, obviously I am not an NBA owner. I would venture to guess none of us on here are. I have one question that you should answer for yourself. Is it better to have a media war portraying you and your franchise as petty? Or is it better to just let the comments go in one ear and out the other thereby letting the story die?
Miller realistically had 3 options.
His first option was to say that there was a misunderstanding and Karl could have had tickets whenever he felt like coming to see the team play and leave it at that. Best option.
His second option was to say nothing and let the story die while still facing a little bit of bad PR.
His third and worst option was to go out and play petty games and send a message to Malone and score some awful PR that will continue beyond this story. By far his worst option and that's the one he chose.
So realistically, what can we expect going forward? We know Karl will not shut up and let this go. So in the end we will have these two arguing through the media and the soap opera will continue. I say this believing that Greg was likely telling the truth. Now it is a no win situation all around.
Mr. McGibblets
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Sloan released a statement through the Jazz stating that he always had the support of the Jazz organization:
https://www.ksl.com/?nid=304&sid=19120462&pid=1
I have added this to the initial post of this thread as well.
https://www.ksl.com/?nid=304&sid=19120462&pid=1
I have added this to the initial post of this thread as well.
Grandpa Jazz
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What's the problemo Greggie Boy. Karl had his people call your people! He didn't seem to ever just stand you up. Back then was Karl really supposed to show great respect to Greg Miller? All that being out of the way, Greg did say some things that give me pause......particularly the line about his dad tearing up and re-writing contracts at Karl's behest. That one bothers me.
Grandpa Jazz
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But didn't D-Will refer to himself in the 4th person, you know, the one he made up in Park City for the benefit of police officer's. Like, that was gonna work!
Yes, the liar comment was a mockery of the whole incident.
I do agree with you that your option 1 would have been the best way to go on this.
I don't necessarily agree that 3 was the worse option of 2 and 3.
I'm also not going to bash him for way he handled it. Should he hire some PR person to filter his blog before it's posted... yes.
Should he hire some PR person to filter his tweets before they go out.... yes.
I guess he just inherited more of his dad than some of us would like him to have I guess. Larry used to say all sorts of stuff without a filter, and sometimes it could come back to bite him... but at the same time I liked that about Larry because I knew it was real and not the filtered crap with no real information we usually get.
I'm sure Greg already has some people in his ear letting him know that he should have not said anything, because now their job will be harder.
I don't know that he will listen.
Could you imagine the threads we would have like this if we had Cuban as our owner?
"The next day car sales dropped by half". Really gorg? Go pet your ****ing cats.
More insight into how incredibly dillusional the Maller family is. They see an entirely different world than the rest of us. These people are self-absorbed maniacs and the lot would end up in the nut house if it weren't for their money and successes. Leery was a deranged piece of **** and apparently gorg is too.
Hey, gorg, you wanna know why your relationship soured? Maybe it's because you're an oversensitive prick who cares about noone but your own money, just like pappy *** wipe.
One more thing. Those contracts wouldn't have had to been tore up if your cheap *** father wasn't constantly trying to screw everyone he dealt with. It's your family who are the ******** for not paying Karl what he deserved. That's the appreciation the Mallers show to loyalty. **** you and have fun burning in hell with your old man. After all, I know this guy.
More insight into how incredibly dillusional the Maller family is. They see an entirely different world than the rest of us. These people are self-absorbed maniacs and the lot would end up in the nut house if it weren't for their money and successes. Leery was a deranged piece of **** and apparently gorg is too.
Hey, gorg, you wanna know why your relationship soured? Maybe it's because you're an oversensitive prick who cares about noone but your own money, just like pappy *** wipe.
One more thing. Those contracts wouldn't have had to been tore up if your cheap *** father wasn't constantly trying to screw everyone he dealt with. It's your family who are the ******** for not paying Karl what he deserved. That's the appreciation the Mallers show to loyalty. **** you and have fun burning in hell with your old man. After all, I know this guy.
Mr. McGibblets
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Not sure as to how this spat between Karl and Greg are any different than any spat Karl and Larry had other than having the social media we have now with twitter and all. Haven't we seen this before just not as many details were known to us like this.
gregbroncs
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To what lengths. Karl has been bashing the Jazz on and off since Jerry left. At some point you need to defend yourself.
Karl needs to STFU. His opinions on the Jazz are irrelevant. And the fact he thinks they matter is embarassing. He needs to go away.
I hope he is never part of the franchise ever again. As a player he was a lot of trouble, but a good enough player to make it worth it. As an ex-player he is still a pain because he still has not grown up enough to learn to STFU.
Karl you need to get the Jazz out of your system because they no longer need or want you around.