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Historically Great Offense

SoberasHotRod

SoberasHotRod

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We are currently on pace to have the largest difference between top offensive rating and league average offensive rating in the history of the league (per Locke). We just eviscerated the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best defensive teams in the league. Drop big, switch everything, zone, it doesn't seem like there is a defensive strategy that we struggle with any more.

Personally, and I'm not sure why, but I love great team defense. I enjoy watching great help and recovery, rotations, moving your feet, boxing out, etc. Because of this I haven't always been able to appreciate how skilled and connected this team is capable of playing on offense.

I'm starting this thread to take a moment and appreciate what we are witnessing.
 
My only question for this team is simple - can you win a seven games series four times and win the championship?
 
This needs to be talked about more. Defense and late game execution has been frustrating at times, but we’re obliterating teams on offense.

We have a punchers chance against anyone.
 
Avery said:
My only question for this team is simple - can you win a seven games series four times and win the championship?
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Yeah, I get it, and want that to. I don't feel great about our chances honestly, and we all know the holes in our team that haven't gone away. Jazz fandom hasn't always been easy, and taking advantage of our championship window, etc.

That said, I think it's emotionally healthy to pause and appreciate when we are doing something historically great.
 
Jazz are just an extremely well oiled machine. Even when the individuals arent playing particularly well, the team's offense just gets such amazing looks that it's impossible for the offense to be anything less than good.
 
So what's the saying
If it's not broke don't fix it
Do Jazz want to make any major trades that might backfire
 
KqWIN said:
This needs to be talked about more. Defense and late game execution has been frustrating at times, but we’re obliterating teams on offense.

We have a punchers chance against anyone.
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I love boxing metaphors.... and I would prefer my team not be in the “puncher” position.
 
NAOS said:
I love boxing metaphors.... and I would prefer my team not be in the “puncher” position.
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Agreed, but that is the way this team is built. Back to back eliminations and blown series leads despite playing elite offense in both series. We're probably going to be able to score on anyone, but there's also going to be certain teams that will completely annihilate our 1 vs 5 defensive strategy.

I think we're a little bit of a better team this year because Gay and Whiteside look like clear talent upgrades over last year, but it's mostly the same team and our strengths/weaknesses are the same. To quote another boxing metaphor., styles make fights. I'm not sure that perfect counter exists in the same way that LAC did last year. Maybe Kawhi is back by then and they become a primary threat.

GSW, PHX, and UTA have been in a league of their own in the west and I think both of those teams present tough, but not impossible challenges.
 
Defense hasn’t looked great at times this year but offensively this team is fun to watch. I should probably appreciate this team more than I have so far this season.


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KqWIN said:
Jazz defense is definitely broken during the playoffs.
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Well we did kick but in round 1 and the first two games of round two. Bigger problem is the opponent going small. If our path was different we might be nba champs right now. The bucks dont scare me in the playoffs. Neither do the suns. If we can leave rudy in the paint then I feel good about our chances against anyone.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
We are currently on pace to have the largest difference between top offensive rating and league average offensive rating in the history of the league (per Locke). We just eviscerated the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best defensive teams in the league. Drop big, switch everything, zone, it doesn't seem like there is a defensive strategy that we struggle with any more.

Personally, and I'm not sure why, but I love great team defense. I enjoy watching great help and recovery, rotations, moving your feet, boxing out, etc. Because of this I haven't always been able to appreciate how skilled and connected this team is capable of playing on offense.

I'm starting this thread to take a moment and appreciate what we are witnessing.
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Thanks for this thread. Jazz fans are spoiled and have been for the vast majority that this franchise has existed. You would never know how good the jazz have been if you just read jazzfanz threads/post though. Thanks for a nice positive one.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well we did kick but in round 1 and the first two games of round two. Bigger problem is the opponent going small. If our path was different we might be nba champs right now. The bucks dont scare me in the playoffs. Neither do the suns. If we can leave rudy in the paint then I feel good about our chances against anyone.
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you're crazy about the Suns, bru. If the way they generate their offense doesn't scare a jazz fan, then that jazz fan isn't paying attention, imo.
 
I'm definitely enthralled when the shots are falling. But you'll have to sue me, I guess, because I enjoy watching a gritty defense more than anything else. That's always been the case, so..
 
NAOS said:
I'm definitely enthralled when the shots are falling. But you'll have to sue me, I guess, because I enjoy watching a gritty defense more than anything else. That's always been the case, so..
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I didn't really express it but when there was a discussion about the NBA full game highlight videos you can find on youtube (and I suppose on NBA.com) and I made a comment that you don't see the defense. I get that would mean you'd almost have to show the entire game, which is a good reason for a fan to watch entire games, but my main concern is a bit different than that.

Gobert can't win MVP even though he is *probably* the most important player on one of the best teams in the NBA (I don't want to argue about that point, it was true last year also and the Jazz had the best record). Why can't the 3 time DPOY win MVP? Why is he not even top 3 in MVP discussion?

I'll tell you why. It's because so many people consume the majority of their non-favorite team NBA content via full game highlight videos which are actually just scoring summary videos. They could show good defensive stands, they really ought to show 24 second violations, but none of them will ever show enough to make it clear that a game was won on defense because they will just show the times the winning team scored and the only assumption that can be drawn from that is that the winning team was just better at scoring that game.
 
NAOS said:
you're crazy about the Suns, bru. If the way they generate their offense doesn't scare a jazz fan, then that jazz fan isn't paying attention, imo.
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Let me clarify. They are really really good so they scare me. But they would allow rudy to play in the paint. So we could at least see what the jazz can do against them with our normal gameplan. Maybe we win and maybe we lose. Same goes for the bucks.

What scares me most is a team forcing rudy out of the paint. I dont want to see teams that can and will do that. I dont think the suns (because of ayton) or bucks (because of giannis) are teams that will force us to change everything we do.


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