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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
It seems as though the Jazz could trap CP the way they do Doncic and disrupt their pick-and-roll before they get set. Make some of their other offensive players create for themselves. Mostly, they're spot-up shooters. CP is really the head of the snake for them.

Also, I have a hard time buying into the Suns' bench. Cam Payne, Cam Johnson, Elfrid Payton, Landry Shamet, Javale McGee--it just doesn't seem that credible to me.
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I think PHX is a tougher challenge than DAL because almost everything DAL does comes from Doncic. PHX is more well balanced, has two primary playmakers, and is probably only second to the Jazz at "blender" type ball movement. Their offense isn't as explosive as ours, but it stands up perfectly against tougher defenses and clutch moments. I also think Monty Williams is a great coach who does creative things on offense. I'm sure he'll find a way to expose in small/small actions like Spoelstra and MIA has.

But I understand what you're saying. I think we beat PHX in a series and I'd be fairly confident in it....why? I think we're just a much higher level than them. We have so much more talent them that it "should" overcome a tough opponent. Having said that, we "should" have beaten LAC last year and DEN the year before, but we all know what happened. We're going to need better health, better coaching, and better luck than previous wins to take the title but I think we go into a series with PHX as decent favorites.
 
KqWIN said:
I think PHX is a tougher challenge than DAL because almost everything DAL does comes from Doncic. PHX is more well balanced, has two primary playmakers, and is probably only second to the Jazz at "blender" type ball movement. Their offense isn't as explosive as ours, but it stands up perfectly against tougher defenses and clutch moments. I also think Monty Williams is a great coach who does creative things on offense. I'm sure he'll find a way to expose in small/small actions like Spoelstra and MIA has.

But I understand what you're saying. I think we beat PHX in a series and I'd be fairly confident in it....why? I think we're just a much higher level than them. We have so much more talent them that it "should" overcome a tough opponent. Having said that, we "should" have beaten LAC last year and DEN the year before, but we all know what happened. We're going to need better health, better coaching, and better luck than previous wins to take the title but I think we go into a series with PHX as decent favorites.
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Another difference-maker in a series with PHX could be Trent Forrest's defense. Play Trent at the 3, put Conley on Bridges and Mitchell on Booker.

 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Another difference-maker in a series with PHX could be Trent Forrest's defense. Play Trent at the 3, put Conley on Bridges and Mitchell on Booker.

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Trent Forrest is not playing in the playoffs because we can't play 4v5 on offense. Conley is a better CP3 defender than Forrest anyways. The good thing about the PHX matchup is that they don't have the big wing that will make things troubling for Conley in a switch. Conley and Mitchell could feasibly guard anyone 1-4 in their main lineup.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Against a switching defense, Royce gets just as stifled, or worse. Forrest can at least put the ball down and create.
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Royce is like Steph Curry compared to Forrest as a shooter. He's also played well in the playoffs. Forrest's only offensive game is when he pounds the ball in PnR, and he's not that bad at it, but we're absolutely not taking the ball out of Conley or Mitchell's hands. It's a completely different skillset to play off the ball, shoot spot up 3's, and attack closeouts. If the Suns have any scout with a pulse they will not allow any of their players to closeout against Forrest.

Forrest isn't playing a real role right now. All he's there to do is get a few minutes of rest for Conley. He has overtake Clarkson, Ingles, Gay, and O'Neale just to see the floor at all. He's not going to be a difference maker.
 
Ron Mexico said:
The top offensive rating for players is dominated by the Jazz, 7 of the top 9 are Utah Jazz players. This is for players getting over 15 minutes a game.

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And 9 of the top 20 are jazz players. That's crazy. 9 players in the top 20 in offensive rating? When most teams are truly 6 to 7 players deep, that's just incredible.
 
KqWIN said:
The Suns are the most deadly team in the league at the shots we conceded. Ayton allows Gobert to stay in the paint, but he also occupies Gobert super well. I actually think it’s harder for him to guard a good rolling big man than it is to guard a stretch 5.

The Clippers didn’t start beating us until they stopped running PnR at Rudy. Even with a spaced plot Rudy could keep it contained by switching or keeping everything in front. It was more difficult for him to defend when Zubac was in the game because the space between the two players was greater. A deadly mid range shooter combined with a good rim running big is tough to stop. CP3 is one of the best all time in that situation and Booker is great as well.

It doesn’t make PHX impossible to beat, but that’s a tough matchup because their offense is designed to score against our type of defense.

In general, however, I think PHX’s greatest strength is just how damn good they are in the clutch. I think GSW, UTA, MIL, and maybe BKN are better teams than PHX. But if PHX can keep it close they are the best on the league in the clutch.
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As long as phoenix allows gobert to stay in the paint im excited for that series.
 
fishonjazz said:
As long as phoenix allows gobert to stay in the paint im excited for that series.
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Gobert is in the paint when CP3 is drawing him out and shooting over him. He’s also in the paint when guarding CP3 and he dumps off or gives the lob to Ayton. The problem isn’t Gobert being in the paint, it’s about who else on our team is in the paint (or rather who isn’t — nobody).
 
Gameface said:
I've never claimed to be anything else.
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And I dig that, tbh. I don’t dig people who hide homerism beneath multiple layers of supposedly reasoned analysis.

If someone is gonna talk about how PHX generates their offense—and appear to break it all down for us, coach-style—and then say “yeah I’m totally confident in that series” (or something of that sort)—then the best response to them would be a laugh teh face. I wish they’d skip their tldr reasons and just say, “I’m a homer, so here goes...”
 
NAOS said:
And I dig that, tbh. I don’t dig people who hide homerism beneath multiple layers of supposedly reasoned analysis.

If someone is gonna talk about how PHX generates their offense—and appear to break it all down for us, coach-style—and then say “yeah I’m totally confident in that series” (or something of that sort)—then the best response to them would be a laugh teh face. I wish they’d skip their tldr reasons and just say, “I’m a homer, so here goes...”
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Am I a homer or am I a downer? Just want to know what's my new "brand" :)

I think it's reasonable to have nuance and take everything into consideration, the good and the bad.
 
KqWIN said:
Am I a homer or am I a downer? Just want to know what's my new "brand" :)

I think it's reasonable to have nuance and take everything into consideration, the good and the bad.
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I know you think this song is about you (and only you)....

I also know that you’d like to drive a wedge into what I said by painting a ridiculous view that doesn’t allow someone to be both a downer and a homer depending on the moment/context.

All very predictable tbh
 
NAOS said:
I know you think this song is about you (and only you)....

I also know that you’d like to drive a wedge into what I said by painting a ridiculous view that doesn’t allow someone to be both a downer and a homer depending on the moment/context.

All very predictable tbh
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I mean....I'm sure you know what those terms mean. Being a homer and a downer is an oxymoron. Being a homer is about having unconditional support for the team. A downer is the opposite. Unconditional support/negativity is well...unconditional and you can't have both lol. Maybe the reason why someone can be both positive/negative about different topics is because they actually have reasoning and rationale as to why they feel high or low on a certain topic.

Doesn't surprise me that talking about basketball triggered this response. It's all very predictable that you wanted to make things personal and tell me about myself. Seeing the basketball forum psychologist come out has made my Monday so much better :p
 
KqWIN said:
I mean....I'm sure you know what those terms mean. Being a homer and a downer is an oxymoron. Being a homer is about having unconditional support for the team. A downer is the opposite. Unconditional support/negativity is well...unconditional and you can't have both lol. Maybe the reason why someone can be both positive/negative about different topics is because they actually have reasoning and rationale as to why they feel high or low on a certain topic.

Doesn't surprise me that talking about basketball triggered this response. It's all very predictable that you wanted to make things personal and tell me about myself. Seeing the basketball forum psychologist come out has made my Monday so much better :p
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Lol. I guess people are either consistent or they don’t exist. Your understanding of psychology (and of yourself) (and of your interactions on this board) is ****ing hilarious.

YOU made this about you. The record of that is perfectly clear.
 
NAOS said:
Lol. I guess people are either consistent or they don’t exist. Your understanding of psychology (and of yourself) (and of your interactions on this board) is ****ing hilarious.

YOU made this about you. The record of that is perfectly clear.
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Please tell me more about myself random guy on the internet. You obviously know more about me than myself. Or you could talk about this historically great offense lmao.
 
KqWIN said:
Please tell me more about myself random guy on the internet. You obviously know more about me than myself. Or you could talk about this historically great offense lmao.
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Dude. Go back and look at my posts, starting from the first one today. It’s very clear that you inserted yourself. Get off me, braugh.
 
NAOS said:
Dude. Go back and look at my posts, starting from the first one today. It’s very clear that you inserted yourself. Get off me, braugh.
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Verbatim you said

"Anyone who expresses stock confidence in a series against PHX is a homer."
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I am one of those people, not the only one btw. So am I not allowed to comment on that? Of course I wanted to talk about that. This is a basketball forum for basketball discussion.

Next post, again verbatim:

And I dig that, tbh. I don’t dig people who hide homerism beneath multiple layers of supposedly reasoned analysis.

If someone is gonna talk about how PHX generates their offense—and appear to break it all down for us, coach-style—and then say “yeah I’m totally confident in that series” (or something of that sort)—then the best response to them would be a laugh teh face. I wish they’d skip their tldr reasons and just say, “I’m a homer, so here goes...”
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You can say this is or isn't about me, doesn't even matter. Point is, your only argument is attacking the person, not the argument. That's what makes it a personal. Whether it's to me or not, you're trying to devalue the person making the argument, not the argument itself.

It's all very predictable that you did this again. It's all very predictable that you made a psychological judgement on someone , "hiding their homerism", and then went on to say that I don't even understand myself lmao.
 
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