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How did Exum look last night?

Joe Bagadonuts said:
Kid Flash? That fits Donovan better than Exum. X Factor, or X for short. Can't get much better than that.
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Kid flash indicates speed to me. I think of Dante more than Donavan when I think of the word speed.

I like to just use X though. Laziness ftw
 
MVP said:
I love it when we point to historically worst PER ever after Exum's first season some people quickly dismiss it as "PER is useless stat". Yet here we see PER used after few games to tell that Exum is great? There is no question kid looks much better - but the sample is very limited. How about we let him have at least 30-40 games and then talk how good or bad he is.
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Have you not talked about how good or bad he is? Pretty sure you have. Wait 30 or 40 games first please.

Or is that we can only talk about how he is looking if he is looking bad. If he looks good then hold off on praising him until there is a bigger sample size but if he sucks then let’s talk about it right?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yes, I rofl at ridiculous statements. Here's the bottom line for you. The stats that favor Mitchell are those which you support. Those which favor Simmons (most stats fwiw) don't mean ****. Whatevs. I shouldn't have even opened my mouth again. It's an act in futility.
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I am not sure why you are switching this to something else and picking argument over a post in which I agreed with you. You showed positive stats for Exum and I agreed and showed some more. But I guess if you want to jump to a different argument that is not about my post lets have at it.

So, where I have said Simmons is better at things and I have shown stats to show Simmons is better doesnt count? Got it.

Carry on trying to make up an argument about nothing.

You should have stuck with the ROFL, like I said its your best argument.

I guess you are trying to take over for NAOS, someone has to be the negative contrarian who likes to pick fights in multiple threads about the same thing.


If your whole point is I to show that I like to show some negative things about Simmons and positive things about Mitchell, yes you got me. I like to cheer for my team. I also like to point out to our Australian/Simmons fan boys that Mitchell is better at some things.

Maybe you should start some more threads about how our team sucks or that Mitchell sucks to vent?
 
Ron Mexico said:
I am not sure why you are switching this to something else and picking argument over a post in which I agreed with you. You showed positive stats for Exum and I agreed and showed some more. But I guess if you want to jump to a different argument that is not about my post lets have at it.

So, where I have said Simmons is better at things and I have shown stats to show Simmons is better doesnt count? Got it.

Carry on trying to make up an argument about nothing.

You should have stuck with the ROFL, like I said its your best argument.

I guess you are trying to take over for NAOS, someone has to be the negative contrarian who likes to pick fights in multiple threads about the same thing.


If your whole point is I to show that I like to show some negative things about Simmons and positive things about Mitchell, yes you got me. I like to cheer for my team. I also like to point out to our Australian/Simmons fan boys that Mitchell is better at some things.

Maybe you should start some more threads about how our team sucks or that Mitchell sucks to vent?
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Dude. Stfu already!

The only user with ****ed takes is Utahjazzz and why are you even listening to Robyn? Shes just trolling. Now jog on.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Dude. Stfu already!

The only user with ****ed takes is Utahjazzz and why are you even listening to Robyn? Shes just trolling. Now jog on.
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Sorry you got your feeling hurt. Ill only say nice things about Simmons and Exum around you.

Also you and Utahjazzz have most of the same takes...
 
I think a few have swung hard to the pro Dante team but Id like to warn against too higher expectations this early. X still has a lot to learn and will need a few more seasons to master some of the skills weve seen DM display on a nightly basis.

On a personal level Im stoked hes been able to get back and put a great stretch together and finally display the game changing potential he has.

#KidFlash
 
Ron Mexico said:
Sorry you got your feeling hurt. Ill only say nice things about Simmons and Exum around you.

Also you and Utahjazzz have most of the same takes...
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Lol. No we dont. Ive argued with the troll that often Ive nicknamed it Robyn.

I dont care what you say, its time to move on though, no one cares.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You're right. The only jumpers I've seen him take are catch and shoot. Why doesn't he take pull-up jumpers? Maybe he hasn't developed one yet? I agree Lonzo has a bad shot, but does shoot off the dribble and I've seen him make some unlikely shots that way in his unorthodox manner. In the past, I've seen some pull-up jumpers by Dante and they're pretty ugly.
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In Summer League, our very first basket in our very first offence of our very first first game was an off-the-dribble 3 by Exum. He proceeded to take - and make - off-the-dribble baskets throughout SL and pre-season before TJ Warren happened. This was something new he had developed, and if you had actually watched SL like you claim, then you would know this. But he hasn't taken any since his return because he hasn't had to. He's either getting all the way to the rack or taking catch-and-shoot 3s, both efficient shots. Hence his great stats so far.

Lonzo's shot isn't bad, it's irretrievably broken. He does shoot off the dribble, but shouldn't. Particularly going to his right. Taking dumb, inefficient shots is not something Exum should aspire to.
 
elan_prodigy said:
May just be me and I wont mention specifics but has anyone else noticed some weird energy between X and ONeal on the court?
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As in negative?
I sometimes wonder if it would piss X off that O'Neale seems to run sets. But I figured that's just how I would feel.
It does feel inexcusable to me that when O'Neale grabs a board he doesn't throw it to X to lead the break.
 
Et tu Brute said:
As in negative?
I sometimes wonder if it would piss X off that O'Neale seems to run sets. But I figured that's just how I would feel.
It does feel inexcusable to me that when O'Neale grabs a board he doesn't throw it to X to lead the break.
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Yeh, this is what I was referring too, it happens on fast breaks too and when ONeal inbounds the ball he'll always pass to Ingles, Rubio or DM when X is there.

Probably no big deal but it has been something Ive noticed the past few weeks. I can imagine ONeal would be feeling a little pressure since X returned.
 
Ron Mexico said:
With an offensive rating of 127 and a PER of 23.9. Both of which are the best on our team. Although just barely, Gobert is at 124 offensive rating and 20.9 PER.

Exum's PER would be 9th in the NBA if he qualified. Exum's Offensive rating would be #2 in the league.

Those are according to basketball reference. NBA.com are different. Here are the Jazz advanced stats on NBA.com. Exum is leading in just about everything (besides the 1/2 minute of play from Naz)
http://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season&TeamID=1610612762

NBA.com advanced defensive stats show great things as well.


Those numbers are probably not sustainable but I think it shows how good he has looked in his limited numbers so far.
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What I found interesting is RPM still hates Exum. His offensive rating is through the floor and he is still below replacement level on the defensive end. He currently ranks 64th among pg's
 
Et tu Brute said:
What I found interesting is RPM still hates Exum. His offensive rating is through the floor and he is still below replacement level on the defensive end. He currently ranks 64th among pg's
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He hasnt logged enough minutes for any stat to mean a damn.

Eye test says hes doing ok and contributing to winning basketball games.
 
elan_prodigy said:
He hasnt logged enough minutes for any stat to mean a damn.

Eye test says hes doing ok and contributing to winning basketball games.
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Sure. But don't you think it's interesting that on some advanced metrics he is basically LeBron, and on RPM he is 'still worse' than Shelvin Mack.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Sure. But don't you think it's interesting that on some advanced metrics he is basically LeBron, and on RPM he is 'still worse' than Shelvin Mack.
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No I dont.

For any of those stats they are only accurarte with tonnes of data. A small sample size with lead to greater variances.
 
Exum > Mitchell

Snyder just has not given Dante a
chance to be hinself on the court, make mistakes and improve.
 
elan_prodigy said:
No I dont.

For any of those stats they are only accurarte with tonnes of data. A small sample size with lead to greater variances.
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Well durrh.
But the same sets of data shouldn't lead to great variation though.
Small sample sizes impact the conclusions u make, but the raw numbers are not inherently flawed. So Exum is actually performing at those current high standards - not that it means anything, but over an incredibly short number of minutes he has had a certain impact.

I guess this logic could be wrong.
 
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