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How did Exum look last night?

fishonjazz said:
Have you not talked about how good or bad he is? Pretty sure you have. Wait 30 or 40 games first please.

Or is that we can only talk about how he is looking if he is looking bad. If he looks good then hold off on praising him until there is a bigger sample size but if he sucks then let’s talk about it right?
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I think you confusing something. Never said he is bad after just few games. I based my opinion on whole time he was here.
 
Mitchell came into the league ready to play. Exum was a project. You are an idiot.
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If you watch the games it's become obvious Exum is past being a project.His production on the court shows that.
 
tleikheen said:
If you watch the games it's become obvious Exum is past being a project.His production on the court shows that.
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Oh, just stop it. He is still a project, or you have no clue what the difference is between established player in the league and project.
 
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Flc said:
What? Historically, PGs have made the biggest jump between year two and year three. Everyone was shocked when Deron made a huge jump between year one and two, because it was a "year early."

By the end of Dante's third season, we'll have a good idea as to what we have. He'll likely still have several additional jumps to make, but they'll be minor in comparison to his development over the course of the next two years.

I imagine that at summer league this year, we're going to see quite a bit of the same Dante - only with a more aggressive mindset and inferior competition.
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Flc said:
There's a difference between a mental lack of aggressiveness ("he's soft") and a lack of aggressiveness that stems from not having the strength and finishing skills to make anything happen at the end of a drive. In Dante's case, it's clearly the latter - mentally soft players don't play defense the way Exum does.

The issue, for me, is that people decry the absence of drives to the basket as if he's got some internalized mental issue when that just isn't the case. And frankly, I think that's why some people are so concerned for him - there's a big difference between a limited skill set and a limited mindset, because skills are much easier to fix.

Kid is going to be more than fine.
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Flc said:
The thought that Exum and Gobert are going to be together for at least the next five years makes me very, very happy.

Also, note that NBA point guards typically make the biggest leap (moderate to major) between their second and third years, with a lesser leap happening between year one and two (minor to moderate.) Since Dante missed all of last year, this is essentially his second season, meaning that by training camp next year, we should see the extent to which he'll be a superstar vs. a strong, solid starter.
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Flc said:
Exum is going to be so damn good. Granted, this isn't against top caliber competition, but he's very difficult to guard. As soon as he grows up a bit more and has the skills to finish, he's going to demand double teams. As long as he develops a competent mid-range jumper and continues being consistent with his 3-ptrs, he's going to have the same skill set as Harden and Westbrook, but with a higher IQ. There's a lot of work to get to that point, but I can see the player he's going to become much more clearly now. Same feeling I had when Hayward had that ridiculous 35 point game against LA his first or second year in the league.
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Flc said:
I've said this repeatedly, but I'll do it again. NBA point guards typically experience the most explosive growth between the second and third year of their NBA career. It's likely that Jazz fans expect a quicker timeline because our last marquee point guard draftee, Deron Williams, had his major jump between year one and year two. It's important to note, however, that Deron's earlier jump is highly irregular when compared with the majority of NBA point guards. It is by far the most difficult position in the NBA to learn, due to the leadership requirements on offense and the mental precision that is needed.

Because Exum missed a year with the ACL, we can hope for this growth to occur going into next year, though it might be slightly delayed given the lack of continuity between his first year and his second (technically his third, since we aren't counting the ACL year.)

TLDR: next year we'll have a much better idea of who Exum is going to be as a player. My gut tells me he's about to make a gigantic leap.
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Above posts were written over the course of the last two seasons. The most explosive growth for NBA point guards happens, typically, between year 2 and 3. Exum's injuries messed with that a bit but it's looking like, once you factor them out and the time he spent off the court for them, he's right on target.
 
Flc said:
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Above posts were written over the course of the last two seasons. The most explosive growth for NBA point guards happens, typically, between year 2 and 3. Exum's injuries messed with that a bit but it's looking like, once you factor them out and the time he spent off the court for them, he's right on target.
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Exactly.

Those who wrote him off as a rookie and then again as he was recovering from injury are the worst kind of sports fans.
 
MVP said:
Oh, just stop it. He is still a project, or you have no clue what the difference is between established player in the league and project.
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I think the coaching staff and FO in some ways look at all our players as projects, think its a great strength of the program. Always looking to find ways to get guys to improve and getting them to buy into that idea. Rudy and Joe are two great examples of that, think Donovan and Ricky are the same.

Also think that's why they were keen to deal Hood and Lyles, sure they'd turf Burks if they could find a taker too.

DL spoke during the summer league about how much Dante's work ethic and willingness to work over summer had impressed them. Think culture and character are real driving forces behind the roster they are trying to put together.

Listen to Royce talk about how motivated he is to come in and work every day, these are the sort of guys they're trying to bring in, think its a great approach.

Aside from whatever happens on court for the rest of the year i think character and culture will be why Dante will be back next year.
 
Rubashov said:
I think the coaching staff and FO in some ways look at all our players as projects, think its a great strength of the program. Always looking to find ways to get guys to improve and getting them to buy into that idea. Rudy and Joe are two great examples of that, think Donovan and Ricky are the same.

Also think that's why they were keen to deal Hood and Lyles, sure they'd turf Burks if they could find a taker too.

DL spoke during the summer league about how much Dante's work ethic and willingness to work over summer had impressed them. Think culture and character are real driving forces behind the roster they are trying to put together.

Listen to Royce talk about how motivated he is to come in and work every day, these are the sort of guys they're trying to bring in, think its a great approach.

Aside from whatever happens on court for the rest of the year i think character and culture will be why Dante will be back next year.
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The front office still believes that Dante has All Star potential. That's why he'll be back next year at any price.
 
Dante came in as one of the most raw rookies in years. Having played HS ball in Australia which is much lower competition than HS here, or even Canada. I looked at last year like he was a rookie. Heck, he's only a year older than Mitchell right now. He doesn't have a dynamic shot right now, but it looks better than Rubios already. I think he can shoot 35% on 3, finish better than Rubio and play just as good on D. Only question is if his handles improve enough to be a legit star PG.
 
sgjazzfan said:
Dante came in as one of the most raw rookies in years. Having played HS ball in Australia which is much lower competition than HS here, or even Canada. I looked at last year like he was a rookie. Heck, he's only a year older than Mitchell right now. He doesn't have a dynamic shot right now, but it looks better than Rubios already. I think he can shoot 35% on 3, finish better than Rubio and play just as good on D. Only question is if his handles improve enough to be a legit star PG.
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He didn't exactly play high school ball, he went to the AIS which is an elite government funded sports academy, i would estimate that upward of 60 percent of our Olympians have either lived and trained there full time or have been involved with them for an extended period. Almost every national program uses the AIS, they've changed the funding model recently which has had an impact on how some sports use the facility but i'm pretty sure Dante went through under the old arrangements.
 
This isn't a knock on Rubio, I love his game and his fight on the court, but assuming he outplays Rubio in preseason, he needs to start at sg with Mitchell at pg. I think it's inevitable let's get it going next year
 
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