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I really like Ty Corbin

Count me in as one of the Jazz fans that are amazed at the defense that we're starting to see from Corbin and his team. I have NEVER seen the Jazz perform defensive rotations as good as they did last night agains the Griz. There was a point in time in the 2nd half where my jaw was almost literally on the floor as I watched each player perform their rotation PERFECTLY which resulted in a Griz turnover because nobody was open. I loved Sloan, but during his entire career the Jazz were subject to getting burned by the 3-ball due to his rotation techniques. It's nice to see that not be the case anymore.

As I watch this team, I can't help but marvel at the potential they have not just as individual players, but how they could eventually come together as a cohesive unit where you see each piece compliment the other perfectly. There's still a few pieces that need to be added (a PG who fits the system better) and some others that need to be dropped (Raja), but IMO those things will come in time.

Props to KOC for getting those pieces into place and props to Corbin for not being afraid to give minutes to the guys who deserve them regardless of age/experience. This team is getting fun to watch again and it should only get better from here.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I was just coming here to comment on this, actually. Ty STILL hasn't had a real training camp or pre-season.

My crystal ball says the Jazz are in a great position.
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And realistically with our schedule so far he hasn't had many practices either. Really decent job with the very limited time he is getting with the team.
 
jazzman12 said:
Count me in as one of the Jazz fans that are amazed at the defense that we're starting to see from Corbin and his team. I have NEVER seen the Jazz perform defensive rotations as good as they did last night agains the Griz. There was a point in time in the 2nd half where my jaw was almost literally on the floor as I watched each player perform their rotation PERFECTLY which resulted in a Griz turnover because nobody was open. I loved Sloan, but during his entire career the Jazz were subject to getting burned by the 3-ball due to his rotation techniques. It's nice to see that not be the case anymore.

As I watch this team, I can't help but marvel at the potential they have not just as individual players, but how they could eventually come together as a cohesive unit where you see each piece compliment the other perfectly. There's still a few pieces that need to be added (a PG who fits the system better) and some others that need to be dropped (Raja), but IMO those things will come in time.

Props to KOC for getting those pieces into place and props to Corbin for not being afraid to give minutes to the guys who deserve them regardless of age/experience. This team is getting fun to watch again and it should only get better from here.
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Obviously we still have lots of room to improve and gain consistency, but I agree with this. That was one of the best defensive efforts I have seen in recent years from a Jazz team. They had their hands on everything, very active, rotated well, followed up shots. We still lack in man-to-man defense in lots of ways, but our team defense is getting the job done and making up for individual mistakes. They reminded me of the Stockton and Malone teams how active we were on defense and forcing turnovers. It was fun to watch on my wife's Galaxy S II Skyrocket in Ijji Sushi. Oh yeah, it gets no better than that.
 
Perhaps Sidney Lowe has been a big help as well? I'm not sure how you really quantify that outside of being a member of the team and knowing his contributions specifically, but he just might deserve some credit too.
 
My one complaint left about Ty Corbin is his starting lineup.

Yeah, I get it, he wants the first and second teams to gel-- but the second team is solid, while the starting lineup is still gooey. It seems like every game doesn't actually start until our second unit enters the game. Our starting lineup did well this last game, but still. We need some energy in the first lineup.

The starters are the people who set the tone for the game. If our tone is set as 'low energy and slow' every game, we're going to lose more often than we win.

I love that he plays players who earn minutes, but I give him 2 more weeks before I start really complaining about Raja starting.
 
Xsy said:
My one complaint left about Ty Corbin is his starting lineup.

Yeah, I get it, he wants the first and second teams to gel-- but the second team is solid, while the starting lineup is still gooey. It seems like every game doesn't actually start until our second unit enters the game. Our starting lineup did well this last game, but still. We need some energy in the first lineup.

The starters are the people who set the tone for the game. If our tone is set as 'low energy and slow' every game, we're going to lose more often than we win.

I love that he plays players who earn minutes, but I give him 2 more weeks before I start really complaining about Raja starting.
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I really don't understand the complaints with the starting lineup. Last year we were getting blasted in the first quarter fairly often, sometimes by 20 points.

Even in the games we've been blown out in this year, our first quarters have been competetive. I'm not sure what people expect here.
 
The thing I am liking more and more as time goes on - you do stupid ****, you sit on the bench. CJ Miles likes to do stupid ****, so guess what?

9:21 playing time.
4:19 playing time.

The guy sees beyond "playing hard" or "being tough". It's about making good decisions and he rewards players that like to play, play smart and play hard. Not to mention he has an updated view on the game of basketball, a realistic view about who deserves time, no ego, no ********.

Love it. Love this team right now.
 
unluckyseventeen said:
The thing I am liking more and more as time goes on - you do stupid ****, you sit on the bench. CJ Miles likes to do stupid ****, so guess what?

9:21 playing time.
4:19 playing time.

The guy sees beyond "playing hard" or "being tough". It's about making good decisions and he rewards players that like to play, play smart and play hard. Not to mention he has an updated view on the game of basketball, a realistic view about who deserves time, no ego, no ********.

Love it. Love this team right now.
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I agree on the fresh look on coaching. I also love that this team seems to mesh really well.
 
I'm not sure where to add this, but Burks was out of control last night. And in a 'you're getting your *** benched until you figure out how to play winning/team basketball' way.
 
He definitely did not play well yesterday, though I didn't think he was as horrid as many of Bell's performances this year, or as horrid as CJ's 4 whole minutes, and definitely not game costing horrid like Klay Thompson from the Warriors was.

I hope it doesn't cost him minutes, though he certainly deserved to be on the bench most of yesterday.
 
Nate505 said:
He definitely did not play well yesterday, though I didn't think he was as horrid as many of Bell's performances this year, or as horrid as CJ's 4 whole minutes, and definitely not game costing horrid like Klay Thompson from the Warriors was.

I hope it doesn't cost him minutes, though he certainly deserved to be on the bench most of yesterday.
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Burks has been playing out of control most of the time he's played, but when he's not getting to the line at a Kevin Martin-esque rate and hitting his shots, good lord does he hurt what the team is doing. His rate of putting up shots HAS to be the highest on the team, or if not, it's vying for it with Chuckerson and Chuck J.

He needs to really refine where he gets his shots. He seems to take too many of his jumpers floating laterally or fading without his feet set and that is simply not his game (and probably never will be). He needs to just outwork his opponent off the ball on cuts, see if he can beat someone to the cup off the dribble, or take his jumpers on squared up and set spot-up jumpers.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Burks has been playing out of control most of the time he's played, but when he's not getting to the line at a Kevin Martin-esque rate and hitting his shots, good lord does he hurt what the team is doing. His rate of putting up shots HAS to be the highest on the team, or if not, it's vying for it with Chuckerson and Chuck J.

He needs to really refine where he gets his shots. He seems to take too many of his jumpers floating laterally or fading without his feet set and that is simply not his game (and probably never will be). He needs to just outwork his opponent off the ball on cuts, see if he can beat someone to the cup off the dribble, or take his jumpers on squared up and set spot-up jumpers.
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Burks has 36 shot attempts in 87 minutes. Without looking it up, I'd have to think that Jefferson is shooting at a greater rate.

Also, I'm not sure what any of this means but it definitely paints Burks in a very good light.

https://www.82games.com/1112/1112UTA.HTM
 
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unluckyseventeen said:
The thing I am liking more and more as time goes on - you do stupid ****, you sit on the bench.
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How refreshing that Corbin--in less than one entire season as head coach--is possibly embracing the concept of merit-based playing time that Ol' Jer underutilized for years.

CJ Miles likes to do stupid ****, so guess what?

9:21 playing time.
4:19 playing time.

The guy sees beyond "playing hard" or "being tough". It's about making good decisions and he rewards players that like to play, play smart and play hard. Not to mention he has an updated view on the game of basketball, a realistic view about who deserves time, no ego, no ********.

Love it. Love this team right now.
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Also, after a peak of 28 minutes vs. Milwaukee, Burks' minutes have come down x2. Meanwhile, Raja's minutes rose in lockstep, and RB got the PT last night when he was producing.

Bell's one-game surge in performance could've been coincidence (just needing a few games to get into rhythm), or it very well could've been that Bell saw that Corbin might be starting to operate a merit-based system, so Bell figured out how to improve.

As for Bell starting, we might as well get his minimum allocation of minutes over with on most nights :).
 
Hey, if the merit-based playing time thing gets guys motivated, I'm all for it. Even though Raja has been terrible for over a year, who could complain if he somehow found a way to contribute from time to time? If that developed, he could be the type of player that goes off for 1 game and surprises someone in the playoffs. I think at this point, that would be more than we could hope for out of him.

Otherwise, there's a nice Raja-shaped spot on the bench that needs to stay warm.
 
InGameStrategy said:
It's common sense.

It's Coaching 101.
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I wouldn't go this far. There's pros and cons. Players can also tighten up when they're constantly worried about one more mistake. I wouldn't say this is an ideal situation in all scenarios. I love the idea of CJ and Raja getting yanked and having their minutes cut when they're not playing well. Not so much when you're talking about some of our other players. I want our rooks and sophs to get regular minutes, even when they go through a rough stretch. I don't want those guys always looking over their shoulders.
 
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1) Starting lineup is doing fine
2) Howard and Burks have both had games where they played out of control
3) No problem with Ty but since our 4 wins have come against teams that are collectively 9W-22L I am going to reserve judgement. I would love to make the playoffs but still don't see us being in the mix.
 
I know the Jazz have been beating bad teams, but if the Jazz were horrid they'd be losing to these bad teams.
 
InGameStrategy said:
How refreshing that Corbin--in less than one entire season as head coach--is possibly embracing the concept of merit-based playing time that Ol' Jer underutilized for years.
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Perhaps by that standard, Ty Corbin is already ahead of Phil Jackson as well.

"Merit" -- i.e. the idea that a guy should be benched quickly whenever he has a poor game -- can create incoherence so far as team chemistry and any type of coherent identity; it's also the type of outlook that is often dependent on depth charts.

Sloan was flawed. But set rotations, with the right talent, also one made Utah perhaps the best executing team of all time.

Are the Jazz that deep, today? So deep that Corbin can make this work? Or so lacking that it doesn't matter?

And what of broader skillset analysis?

Bell's one-game surge in performance could've been coincidence (just needing a few games to get into rhythm), or it very well could've been that Bell saw that Corbin might be starting to operate a merit-based system, so Bell figured out how to improve.
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Raja Bell will turn into Wesley Matthews any day now. And lack of motivation from Sloan is why Raja Bell, you know, went from a borderline NBA player at all to a very respected vet after a single season in Utah.

A single game in NoCal is pretty hard to argue against, after all.

The real question is what this has to do with the board-wide demand from last week that the Jazz play their "youth".

Now the team is supposed to piecemeal every game rather than look to the, previously, all-important future?

There's Godel's Standard of Perfect Equations being their own limitations, yes. Then there's just bad math from emotionalism -- Shopenhauer's standard of the female mind? Love is hate is blindness.

Another week on Jazzfanz, in other words.
 
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