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If Irving and Kanter are gone & we're on the clock...

billyshelby said:
I definitely don't think Williams is in the same class as Melo. Not even that close, really. The David West comparisons I can buy. But yeah, if you think he has that kind of ability to play the 3 you take him and don't look back.
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My point was not to say that Williams is in the same class as Melo, or that he's the same type of player his is, but there are certain parts of his game that remind me of Melo.
 
billyshelby said:
I definitely don't think Williams is in the same class as Melo. Not even that close, really. The David West comparisons I can buy. But yeah, if you think he has that kind of ability to play the 3 you take him and don't look back.
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I think it largely depends on how Favors and Hayward develop, and what the Jazz do at the 1 longterm. If Favors can be an ace help defender/shot blocker, Hayward continues to develop/refine his penetration/ball handling, and the Jazz find a good distributor at the 1, Williams could be absolutely deadly from numerous places on the court, even if his handle doesn't play at the 3 in the NBA. The dude is extremely crafty and competitive, and has a knack for getting to the line. A perfect second option.
 
margodydek said:
And I think of those two Williams looks to be more able to play the 3, and I also think he looks to be a better 4. So I don't see why we'd keep Millsap after this year.
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I actually see Williams as more of a Paul Pierce-ish 3. Big, strong and crafty.
 
GVC said:
I feel kind of stupid posting this again, but there are 144 minutes available at the 3, 4 and 5. That's more than enough PT for Jefferson, Favors, Millsap and Williams.
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Actually, it's like there are even more minutes than that because not every player plays every game.
 
Do we pick DWill_2 at #3 even if we don't see him work out?

He hasn't scheduled one with us before the draft - has he?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Do we pick DWill_2 at #3 even if we don't see him work out?

He hasn't scheduled one with us before the draft - has he?
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No he's not coming here (at least he's not planning on it). I'll answer your question with a question: would you pass on Irving if he fell?
 
Well, favors is a four, and Hayward can go either 2 or 3. If we draft a 2, move hay to the 3, if we draft a 3, move hay to the 2.
 
honestly i think knight is a much better fit to jazz than williams
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I think there's a question mark as whether DWill_2 can play SF.

That's why I would like to see him first.
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If you need a workout to tell you this, then you've failed as a GM/scout. Not saying that if you're a GM you can't have questions about someone, but I don't think you would get a definitive answer by just one workout.
 
billyshelby said:
I'm not so sure KOC doesn't trade the pick if Williams falls. Williams could generate a few more "heist" type deals. On lesser fronts, Washington might trade the 6 and 18 for Williams. If KOC likes who he can get at the 6 and has a back of the draft guy, that might be enticing. Alternately, Williams might pry loose a star type player from another team in a bigger deal. But I wouldn't be upset to take Williams.
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NOW we're thinking 'out of the box' a bit!! I have reservations 'bout Williams being such an individual-style player and buying into the Jazz team system anyway, so would not be unhappy if we traded down in the event Williams were to become available. Getting a mature (not OLD) up-and-coming star has to be part of KoC's agenda, as we are ALREADY loaded with youth; much more than the Jazz are accustomed to...
 
margodydek said:
If you need a workout to tell you this, then you've failed as a GM/scout. Not saying that if you're a GM you can't have questions about someone, but I don't think you would get a definitive answer by just one workout.
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Well what are workouts for anyway?

If I was KOC I'd wanna make sure that he has the handle, speed and agility to play SF.

Also I'd wanna see how he shoots, mechanics of his shots, may be get Horny in and take a quick look.

Obviously I'm not a GM/scout...

But - that is the one glaring question mark on him, and it wouldn't hurt to see him going through some drills first hand.
 
I'm seeing alot of people wanting to trade our 3rd pick for more picks in this draft, which i find odd since all we do is talk about how week this draft is. Kanter, Dwill2 or Irving are going to fall into our lap, lets be happy knowing that.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Well what are workouts for anyway?

If I was KOC I'd wanna make sure that he has the handle, speed and agility to play SF.

Also I'd wanna see how he shoots, mechanics of his shots, may be get Horny in and take a quick look.

Obviously I'm not a GM/scout...

But - that is the one glaring question mark on him, and it wouldn't hurt to see him going through some drills first hand.
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You had two years to see these things, and I'm sure you saw them in person. And by you I mean KOC/scouts.
 
Zulu said:
I'm seeing alot of people wanting to trade our 3rd pick for more picks in this draft, which i find odd since all we do is talk about how week this draft is. Kanter, Dwill2 or Irving are going to fall into our lap, lets be happy knowing that.
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It's not that odd. The "expert" consensus is this draft is loaded with rotation types, but really weak at the top. If KOC sees the 5-6 guys as being as good as the 2-4 guys, then getting an extra pick makes sense so long as he has a guy in the late draft that he actually wants.
 
I want one of either Kanter, Valanciunas, or Biyombo. Kanter will probably be there at 3 or the Jazz can trade down and grab one of the others.
 
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