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In light of the Howard trade - Jefferson VS Millsap

Who should we keep after next season?

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I know probably 90% of us here would want Jefferson gone. However, in light of the Howard trade to the Lakers - we'll need size to contend with the Howard & Gasol front court.

So here's the poll - who do we keep after next season? Should it be Jefferson or Millsap? Or both? Or none at all?
 
You build a good team. It's kind of pointless to make too many decisions based on one particular matchup at the expense of putting together a good team in general. You can guess my answer.
 
If Millsap didn't get injured so much than I would say him (And I don't mean missing games. I mean he gets injured once a year and his production drops off dramatically).

I hate that Jefferson does not get to the free throw and Millsap does but they are both about the same age and Jefferson's game does not rely on agility or speed. He will still be just as effective when he is in his early 30's. Millsap will not because he relies on agility and speed and undersized PF's do not perform well as they get older because those qualities decline sharply as they get closer to 30.
Reason why I bring this up is because they will both be looking for 1 last big contract. Each will ask for 4-5 year deals for about 8-10 Million a year. I would not want to give Millsap that deal because he is 27 already and his body doesn't hold up all year. You can't depend on him to play to full performance.
I love Millsap too. I predicted he would be a sleeper but the cost benefit analysis has me leaning towards Jefferson if you have to pick between the 2.
If Kanter is better than Jefferson than obviously don't sign Jefferson.

I would obviously prefer Serge Ibaka in the summer of 2013. Thunder will probably choose Harden over Ibaka so we can offer him a Rockets type contract where he gets paid a ridiculous contract in year 2 or 3.
Ibaka & Favors would be an amazing front court defensively. I would only do this deal though if Favors proves this year he is dependable as a go to scorer since Ibaka is not.
 
Tough decision. We are just going to have wait and see another year. This is why Kevin O Connor is the man. He is making a good decision to not rush it. Anything can happen. Millsap or Jefferson could suffer serious injuries or digress in some way. It's better to give ourselves more time on this.
 
If Jefferson will re-sign for 10 mil/per, then I'd go with him. Seriously doubt Millsap will sign for that much.

A future trio of Favors/Kanter/Jefferson will be NASTY.
 
spycam1 said:
If Jefferson will re-sign for 10 mil/per, then I'd go with him. Seriously doubt Millsap will sign for that much.

A future trio of Favors/Kanter/Jefferson will be NASTY.
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I've been away awhile .. why is it possible that Al would sign for 10?
 
I have no idea why anyone would change their opinion as the Laker's strength was ALWAYS it's big rotation and it's not as though Bynum had a terrible last season (being a ****head notwithstanding).
 
Jefferson will never be able to play good pick and roll defense and good help defense, and his offense does not make up for it. Reminds me of how Looser the Boozer was for us. Millsap won't play sixth man and he wants to much money. There are better pieces of the puzzle for us to go after. I was the only one to vote to get rid of both of them. Use those big dollars and go get us at least one stud that does not hurt us on defense and can get us points on the offensive end as well. Serge Ibaka in the summer of 2013 for example. Throw a poison contract at him that the Thunder can't afford. Favors and Ibaka together is a strong defensive presence inside, that could become championship caliber. Millsap will never be a starter for a championship caliber team in my opinion.
 
easy decision, imo:

a center that doesn't play defense, refuses to pass the ball and doesn't box out?

or

a pf, who'd be better comming off the bench as one of the best sixth man in the league (but refuses this kind of a role and would never ever accept it) that is undersized on both ends off the floor, especially on the defensive end aggainst bigger and quicker/more athletic players?

since we would have to overpay to keep one or both of them, i'd say try to get an other quality player via free agency (this could be very difficult). so i'd say it's obvious: we should try to trade one of them or even both before we get nothing in return next year and lose them for nothing.
 
Well put.
Twin Towers said:
If Millsap didn't get injured so much than I would say him (And I don't mean missing games. I mean he gets injured once a year and his production drops off dramatically).

I hate that Jefferson does not get to the free throw and Millsap does but they are both about the same age and Jefferson's game does not rely on agility or speed. He will still be just as effective when he is in his early 30's. Millsap will not because he relies on agility and speed and undersized PF's do not perform well as they get older because those qualities decline sharply as they get closer to 30.
Reason why I bring this up is because they will both be looking for 1 last big contract. Each will ask for 4-5 year deals for about 8-10 Million a year. I would not want to give Millsap that deal because he is 27 already and his body doesn't hold up all year. You can't depend on him to play to full performance.
I love Millsap too. I predicted he would be a sleeper but the cost benefit analysis has me leaning towards Jefferson if you have to pick between the 2.
If Kanter is better than Jefferson than obviously don't sign Jefferson.

I would obviously prefer Serge Ibaka in the summer of 2013. Thunder will probably choose Harden over Ibaka so we can offer him a Rockets type contract where he gets paid a ridiculous contract in year 2 or 3.
Ibaka & Favors would be an amazing front court defensively. I would only do this deal though if Favors proves this year he is dependable as a go to scorer since Ibaka is not.
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I said keep none of them. Also agree with PKM, why would Al sign for only 10 million. As long as Al is on the team Favors will never get a chance to be the man, and take a bigger responsibility and role on this team.

As for Millsap, if he sees the writing on the wall that Favors is going to be the starter he may not want to resign here.
 
Maybe a draft pick but I don't think Philly can give one and I don't think it is fair for Bucks to give one.
https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8sjgvap

I know people are going to freak out because we aren't getting the same value back. But when somebody has a 1 year contract you don't get the same value usually when its not a star.

Philly does this for obvious reasons and they can offer him the most money just like Bynum and Millsap is better than Young.

Bucks signed Ilyasova, Pryzbilla & traded for Dalembert. They drafted Henson and still have Sanders so losing Udoh while gaining a proven SF is much better for team. Young fills the SF position and is ready to contribute now.

Jazz
Mo - Foye - Tinsley
Hayward - Burks - Murphy
Marvin - Dunleavy - Carroll
Favors - Udoh - Pogo
Jefferson - Kanter

Udoh is a great shot blocker and is still only 25. If Jefferson leaves next summer we have Udoh and Kanter to decide between to start with Favors. Or sign Ibaka to a offer sheet. Sanders is an option also but I think he is a head case and his frame is small so he gets pushed around a lot even at PF.
Dunleavy shot 47% from the field last year at 39% from 3 in 26 minutes. He would be able to back up Marvin and play 15-20 minutes a game.
 
Twin Towers and underKanter both make excellent points. I think it unlikely Millsap stays, unless he's a starter. Even then, I think he'll want $12M minimum. But I'm not that thrilled with a lineup that puts Millsap at PF and Favors at C. Favors can be one of the dominant PF's in the league, especially on the defensive end. I don't think he becomes a dominant center. And I love what Paul brings to the table, but he's undersized and not very durable as a starter.
 
This is going to be a great post to bump at the deadline and/or after the season. Will be interesting to see if any opinions have changed.
 
MoTown16 said:
Twin Towers and underKanter both make excellent points. I think it unlikely Millsap stays, unless he's a starter. Even then, I think he'll want $12M minimum. But I'm not that thrilled with a lineup that puts Millsap at PF and Favors at C. Favors can be one of the dominant PF's in the league, especially on the defensive end. I don't think he becomes a dominant center. And I love what Paul brings to the table, but he's undersized and not very durable as a starter.
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Great Points

I fully agree and have been saying that for the past year that we need Favors at PF because he will dominate there. He isn't as fast or athletic as Amare and he isn't as strong as Dwight. But he is longer than Amare. He will get pushed around at the Center position. At PF he will have the upper hand on strength and length and mobile enough to get passed most players.
Kanter is big enough to keep Centers out of the Paint and clog the lane which is important for Centers. Favors can block shots from the blind side.

If we can get a better Center next year than I am all for it. But right now Jefferson is fine for Center and Millsap should be traded now in my opinion. Favors needs to start at PF and benching Millsap will guarantee he will leave next summer. So its the only option I see right now for short term and long term.

Trust me I love Millsap but he is not a legit starting PF unless you have a real center next to him like Dwight, Bynum etc. They don't have to be a dominate offensive threat but at least somebody that has legit center size. We don't have that on this team.
You cannot build a team off getting the most talented players. Its a puzzle. You can't just dump your favorite pieces out and hope it fits. They have to complement each other on both ends of the court.

Just like Devin Harris and Mo Williams. Both are about the same talent but our offense needs 3 point shooters because of the way Corbin runs this new offense and the court needs to be spread for slashing and big guys.

Complement the big guys and we will be better off. Just keep Favors at PF
 
MoTown16 said:
Twin Towers and underKanter both make excellent points. I think it unlikely Millsap stays, unless he's a starter. Even then, I think he'll want $12M minimum. But I'm not that thrilled with a lineup that puts Millsap at PF and Favors at C. Favors can be one of the dominant PF's in the league, especially on the defensive end. I don't think he becomes a dominant center. And I love what Paul brings to the table, but he's undersized and not very durable as a starter.
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Wow.. so you've voted to keep them BOTH? That's a surprise. Would be interested to know your view on why...
 
To me our future front court could come down to:

Jefferson & Favors VS Favors & Millsap

If those are the options, then I have to say I'm more excited about a Jefferson & Favors front court (provided we have enough shooters to surround Jefferson with, i.e., Mo Williams, Foye, Marvin, etc). Jefferson has to learn to pass out of the double team, but I think he'll learn to do that. Provided those 3's are going in, I think that can happen.

Jefferson's atrocious on the defensive end, no doubt. However, the reason we were so bad defensively last year (despite Jefferson blocking shots left right and center) was due to the Jefferson & Millsap pairing. Millsap, though quick enough for those steals, is still undersize defensively at the PF position. And that will never change. But if we pair Favors with Jefferson, may be Favors can negate some of Jefferson's shortcomings.
 
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