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Iran wants trump dead, and might be behind the two failed assassination attempts

Al-O-Meter said:
I've never said the US President has no power. The President does have power but only the power the US Constitution had granted to the holder of that office. The US Constitution is king. The President is only a minister of the Executive Branch under the US Constitution.

I've also said the President doesn't make much difference in my life. I do fine when Democrats hold the office and I do fine when Republicans hold the office. I thank the US Constitution for limiting how wildly any single office holder, even one as powerful as the US President, can swing things. The system is a true work of art cobbled together a quarter of a millennia ago. It isn't perfect but I haven't seen a better system yet.
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Anywho, back to the topic that was being discussed:
trump has had the loudest voice and largest influence in American politics over the last 8 years.
trumps rhetoric, immorality, vitriol, divisiveness, scandalous combative treacherous scumbag douchey nature is what motivated the would be assassins.
trump does his damage to society simply by being in the discussion.

Let's say trump gave up politics after losing the last election and didn't make a big fuss about his loss. Currently it is Nikki Hailey vs Biden or Harris. The division, anger, hate, combativeness, rhetoric, hyperbole, etc of American society would be much less than it currently is.
 
fishonjazz said:
Anywho, back to the topic that was being discussed:
trump has had the loudest voice and largest influence in American politics over the last 8 years.
trumps rhetoric, immorality, vitriol, divisiveness, scandalous combative treacherous scumbag douchey nature is what motivated the would be assassins.
trump does his damage to society simply by being in the discussion.

Let's say trump gave up politics after losing the last election and didn't make a big fuss about his loss. Currently it is Nikki Hailey vs Biden or Harris. The division, anger, hate, combativeness, rhetoric, hyperbole, etc of American society would be much less than it currently is.
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I hear what you're saying. I just disagree.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Mind elaborating? What exactly was Trump trying to do, by your own admission?

This candidate you are about to vote for again.
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In his mind trying to do something is ok, as long as it isn't successful. You know, like how attempted murder shouldn't even be a crime.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
I hear what you're saying. I just disagree.
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So who has had a louder voice and larger influence in how americans discuss politics over the last 8 years then?
 
At least the suggestion that Iran was behind the 2 assassination plots seems to have originated with Trump himself. Therefore, it must be one of his lies:


Sept 25 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Wednesday said Iran may have been behind recent attempts to assassinate him and suggested that if he were president and another country threatened a U.S. presidential candidate, it risked being "blown to smithereens."

Trump made his remarks at a campaign event after U.S. intelligence officials briefed him a day earlier on “real and specific threats from Iran to assassinate him,” according to his campaign.

Federal authorities are probing assassination attempts targeting Trump at his Florida golf course in mid-September and at a rally in Pennsylvania in July. There has been no public suggestion by law enforcement agencies of involvement by Iran or any other foreign power in either incident.

“There have been two assassination attempts on my life that we know of, and they may or may not involve, but possibly do, Iran, but I don’t really know,” Trump said at an event a pipe-fittings plant in Mint Hill, North Carolina.

time.com

Iran, Trump, and the Third Assassination Plot

Compared to other plots against Trump, Asif Merchant's alleged scheme has drawn little attention—but may reveal the most.
time.com time.com
 
Red said:
At least the suggestion that Iran was behind the 2 assassination plots seems to have originated with Trump himself. Therefore, it must be one of his lies:


Sept 25 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Wednesday said Iran may have been behind recent attempts to assassinate him and suggested that if he were president and another country threatened a U.S. presidential candidate, it risked being "blown to smithereens."

Trump made his remarks at a campaign event after U.S. intelligence officials briefed him a day earlier on “real and specific threats from Iran to assassinate him,” according to his campaign.

Federal authorities are probing assassination attempts targeting Trump at his Florida golf course in mid-September and at a rally in Pennsylvania in July. There has been no public suggestion by law enforcement agencies of involvement by Iran or any other foreign power in either incident.

“There have been two assassination attempts on my life that we know of, and they may or may not involve, but possibly do, Iran, but I don’t really know,” Trump said at an event a pipe-fittings plant in Mint Hill, North Carolina.

time.com

Iran, Trump, and the Third Assassination Plot

Compared to other plots against Trump, Asif Merchant's alleged scheme has drawn little attention—but may reveal the most.
time.com time.com
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So Trump is “flooding the zone with ****” in order words?
 
Red said:
At least the suggestion that Iran was behind the 2 assassination plots seems to have originated with Trump himself. Therefore, it must be one of his lies:

time.com

Iran, Trump, and the Third Assassination Plot

Compared to other plots against Trump, Asif Merchant's alleged scheme has drawn little attention—but may reveal the most.
time.com time.com
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From your linked Time article:

"according to an FBI affidavit ... that was posted online by U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley on Sept. 5 after, the Iowa Republican said, it was provided to him by a whistleblower. But, along with other evidence, the documents all but confirm that Donald Trump was the person Merchant was authorized to offer up to $1 million to kill."
 
Red said:
At least the suggestion that Iran was behind the 2 assassination plots seems to have originated with Trump himself. Therefore, it must be one of his lies:


Sept 25 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Wednesday said Iran may have been behind recent attempts to assassinate him and suggested that if he were president and another country threatened a U.S. presidential candidate, it risked being "blown to smithereens."

Trump made his remarks at a campaign event after U.S. intelligence officials briefed him a day earlier on “real and specific threats from Iran to assassinate him,” according to his campaign.

Federal authorities are probing assassination attempts targeting Trump at his Florida golf course in mid-September and at a rally in Pennsylvania in July. There has been no public suggestion by law enforcement agencies of involvement by Iran or any other foreign power in either incident.

“There have been two assassination attempts on my life that we know of, and they may or may not involve, but possibly do, Iran, but I don’t really know,” Trump said at an event a pipe-fittings plant in Mint Hill, North Carolina.

time.com

Iran, Trump, and the Third Assassination Plot

Compared to other plots against Trump, Asif Merchant's alleged scheme has drawn little attention—but may reveal the most.
time.com time.com
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So basically if a couple random dudes tried to assassinate someone while trump was president he would pick a random country and blow it to smithereens. Makes sense. Super rationale, calm, and well thought out plan right there.
 
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Trump is the only president that waved his presidential salary. Why doesn’t this get talked about?
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Because it's absolutely not true?

Yes, he donated his salary to various parts of the federal government (Park service, HHS, Transportation, and Veteran's Affairs, I believe, but it may have varied throughout the years.) But JFK and Hoover also donated their salaries (Congress requires the President be paid), and Obama donated approximately $1.1M of the $3.2M he received over eight years, plus his entire $1.4M he received for the Nobel Peace Prize. Oh, and George Washington tried to refuse, but they made him take some as well.
 
gandalfe said:
Because it's absolutely not true?

Yes, he donated his salary to various parts of the federal government (Park service, HHS, Transportation, and Veteran's Affairs, I believe, but it may have varied throughout the years.) But JFK and Hoover also refused or donated their salaries, and Obama donated approximately $1.1M of the $3.2M he received over eight years, plus his entire $1.4M he received for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Stop pissing in his Trump-ios. He likes those Trump-ios, and facts always makes them taste worse.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Trump is the only president that waved his presidential salary. Why doesn’t this get talked about?
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Donald Trump billed the government for Secret Service accommodations at his hotels many times over what other guests were charged, particularly foreign dignitaries, according to a report released Friday from members of the House oversight committee.

Describing the former US president’s term in office as “the world’s greatest get-rich-quick scheme”, the report’s authors referred to documents obtained by subpoenas of the Mazars firm, Trump’s accountants, citing guest logs for Trump International hotel in Washington, DC, between September 2017 and August 2018.

The hotel “charged as much as 300% or more above the authorized government per diem”, for Secret Service hotel rooms, according to the report.

It added: “Not only did former President Trump’s D.C. hotel routinely charge the Secret Service more than the government rate, it frequently charged the Secret Service more than it did other patrons, including members of a foreign royal family and a Chinese business interest.”

Eric Trump has said previously that the Trump organization let Secret Service agents “stay at our properties for free”. But the report calls that assertion into question, noting that the agency was charged “far in excess of approved government per diem rates and even many times the rates charged to hundreds of other patrons—including some of the rooms rented by the Qatari royal family and Chinese business interests—for rooms used by agents protecting members of the Trump family.”

A 156-page report on Trump’s business dealings by House Democrats released in January noted that four businesses owned by Trump’s family conglomerate received at least $7.8m in payments in total from 20 countries during his four years in the White House.

While Trump was in office, Republicans made regular use of Trump International hotel while visiting Washington. Democrats on the committee cited three people Trump appointed to the federal bench, eight ambassadors, five people who later obtained presidential pardons like Dinesh D’Souza and Ken Kurson, and numerous other state and federal officials who stayed there on official travel.

The US constitution’s emoluments clause states that a president may receive no payments from the federal government other than a salary. Previous presidents have divested from business interests that could conflict with the clause. Jimmy Carter famously sold his peanut farm in Georgia before taking office. Trump refused to do so, and took efforts to shield his personal and business finances from public scrutiny.


Gotta remember, trump is a YUGE liar.
 
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