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Is Anything Going to Happen Tomorrow?

Does a Trade Involving Mirotic Happen Tomorrow for the Jazz?

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Some good perspectives:

This summer and all last off season, everyone just assumed Hayward to Boston was a done deal. It just didn’t make sense from our perspective. But, alas. Currently, everyone keeps saying they think Mirotic ends up here yet there’s actually very little reporting substantiating that but gets fueled by the nature of the fit. Here I’m being very cautiously optimistic and almost seems to good to be true. Hopefully the national narrative holds the same trend as the Hayward fiasco.
 
Also, on another note, currently Mirotic isn’t valued as much as the inflated value of a first round pick. But, when all is said and done, do people believe that mid-to-late first rounder is a sure bet to be better than Mirotic, or even 40% probable? What do people give the chances of that pick being better than Mirotic? I give it 15-20%.
 
I agree that nothing happens tomorrow, but something happens before the deadline.

Not saying it's a Mirotic deal, just something.
 
No, and he gets traded else where. We still trade Favors before the deadline though for literally anything
 
infection said:
Also, on another note, currently Mirotic isn’t valued as much as the inflated value of a first round pick. But, when all is said and done, do people believe that mid-to-late first rounder is a sure bet to be better than Mirotic, or even 40% probable? What do people give the chances of that pick being better than Mirotic? I give it 15-20%.
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You have to consider other factors beyond the plain quality of players, though. The major one being contract situations. You don't need to get a player who is better than Mirotic to still have a net positive value, because the player you draft you have much longer contract control, and a much better salary. At a certain point, constructing a solid roster kind of depends on having at least a couple rookie scale contracts. So, when you shift the question to whether you have a chance of getting a contributing player on a good contract, then your chances are pretty good. Plus, you have the upside potential of finding a star who is, in fact, much better than Mirotic.
 
radiohegel said:
You have to consider other factors beyond the plain quality of players, though. The major one being contract situations. You don't need to get a player who is better than Mirotic to still have a net positive value, because the player you draft you have much longer contract control, and a much better salary. At a certain point, constructing a solid roster kind of depends on having at least a couple rookie scale contracts. So, when you shift the question to whether you have a chance of getting a contributing player on a good contract, then your chances are pretty good. Plus, you have the upside potential of finding a star who is, in fact, much better than Mirotic.
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It’s a valid point, but aside from RFA perk, players don’t put up much value on a rookie contract (Mitchell a huge outlier). Yes, some people contribute in year three but I also think the assumption that Mirotic is really only 1.5 years is neglecting what I think is a much-more-likely-than-not probability that he stays.
 
infection said:
It’s a valid point, but aside from RFA perk, players don’t put up much value on a rookie contract (Mitchell a huge outlier). Yes, some people contribute in year three but I also think the assumption that Mirotic is really only 1.5 years is neglecting what I think is a much-more-likely-than-not probability that he stays.
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Rookie contracts are the most valuable that exist.
 
So, I've changed course a little bit here. Do I trade away this year's first round pick? Hell no.

Do I trade next year's pick? At first I was no, but now...Why not? That pick will suck anyways if Mirotic works out. Why would I hang onto a pick I fully expect to be in the 20's? That would just be stupid. Beyond stupid. Like, incompetent.

Plus, if I am Utah, I want Mirotic as soon as possible. I want to make a playoff run THIS year. The Jazz are 4 games out of the 8th spot right now.

Then, I try to flip Burks or Hood and whatever I have left for a PG.

Rubio sucks as a PG, but Mitchell plays a lot better with Rubio on the floor. Does it have anything to with Rubio's skills? Nah, I don't think so. I think it is because Mitchell is better as a SG. If we can get him a real PG, then it makes the game even easier for Mitchell.

Imagine a new PG, Mitchell, Ingles, Mirotic and Gobert.

Not too bad. Plus our pick this year. Plus losing Favors, Johnson etc would give us cap room this summer to add another wing to the puzzle and start pushing for playoffs this year and a real run next year.
 
infection said:
It’s a valid point, but aside from RFA perk, players don’t put up much value on a rookie contract (Mitchell a huge outlier). Yes, some people contribute in year three but I also think the assumption that Mirotic is really only 1.5 years is neglecting what I think is a much-more-likely-than-not probability that he stays.
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Rodney Hood comes to mind... But in response to the Mirotic situation, unless you have access to information far from public, then I don't know how you can really form a strong and reasonable conviction about whether or not he would sign a new contract with the Jazz. None of us have any real idea of what would happen in that situation.
 
infection said:
Also, on another note, currently Mirotic isn’t valued as much as the inflated value of a first round pick. But, when all is said and done, do people believe that mid-to-late first rounder is a sure bet to be better than Mirotic, or even 40% probable? What do people give the chances of that pick being better than Mirotic? I give it 15-20%.
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That pick over 4-7 years has a chance at providing as much or more value than Mirotic does over the length of his current contract. It’s not about will this pick be better than Niko... it’s about what adds the most overall value. If we can get a late first for one of our other guys and get niko great... our pick is off limits unless it is so heavily protected that it is a “fake first” and is really a second rounder.

The jazz won’t tank but they should. We aren’t getting to the playoffs. If you aren’t in the playoffs then what is the point of winning a few extra games.

We would benefit more by getting Bradley and Royce some more PT and letting DM spend more time as primary creator. Get them ready for next year and help them become rotation pieces for the future.

The basketball gods have been trying to tell us to tank yet we insist on punching the wall.
 
green said:
So, I've changed course a little bit here. Do I trade away this year's first round pick? Hell no.

Do I trade next year's pick? At first I was no, but now...Why not? That pick will suck anyways if Mirotic works out. Why would I hang onto a pick I fully expect to be in the 20's? That would just be stupid. Beyond stupid. Like, incompetent.

Plus, if I am Utah, I want Mirotic as soon as possible. I want to make a playoff run THIS year. The Jazz are 4 games out of the 8th spot right now.

Then, I try to flip Burks or Hood and whatever I have left for a PG.

Rubio sucks as a PG, but Mitchell plays a lot better with Rubio on the floor. Does it have anything to with Rubio's skills? Nah, I don't think so. I think it is because Mitchell is better as a SG. If we can get him a real PG, then it makes the game even easier for Mitchell.

Imagine a new PG, Mitchell, Ingles, Mirotic and Gobert.

Not too bad. Plus our pick this year. Plus losing Favors, Johnson etc would give us cap room this summer to add another wing to the puzzle and start pushing for playoffs this year and a real run next year.
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Next years pick hasn't been discussed much, never thought of it being that. It would probably be around 20. Slap top 10 protection on it (if Gobert goes down) and it would be close.
 
gomretat said:
All kinds of things are going to happen tomorrow - innumerable - but a trade for Mirotic is not one of them.
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It's MLK day, so expect a lot of speeches, quotes from athletes and politicians, and a likely claim by The Donald about fake news.

As for a trade, I agree with everyone who has said no to trading this year's pick without putting lottery protection on it. This draft is similar to last year's; there's a lot of value all the way down through the lottery. Jazz have a chance at finishing in at least the top-10. That means a possible starter. You don't give that up for Mirotic.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That pick over 4-7 years has a chance at providing as much or more value than Mirotic does over the length of his current contract. It’s no play out will this pick be better than Niko... it’s about what adds the most overall value. If we can get a late first for one of our other guys and get niko great... our pick is off limits unless it is so heavily protected that it is a “fake first” and is really a second rounder.

The jazz won’t tank but they should. We aren’t getting to the playoffs. If you aren’t in the playoffs then what is the point of winning a few extra games.

We would benefit more by getting Bradley and Royce some more PT and letting DM spend more time as primary creator. Get them ready for next year and help them become rotation pieces for the future.

The basketball gods have been trying to tell us to tank yet we insist on punching the wall.
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Pride, that's what the jazz play for and what the organization stands for...
 
Jazz4ever said:
Next years pick hasn't been discussed much, never thought of it being that. It would probably be around 20. Slap top 10 protection on it (if Gobert goes down) and it would be close.
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The Jazz could suck again next year. Let's say we do get Mirotic, the Jazz will still need internal improvement from guys like Rubio/Exum/Hood/O'Neale. Rubio and/or Exum really being the key there. The West could also get a lot stronger if the Lakers get Lebron/PG and becomes a powerhouse again.
 
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