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Islamists kill 12 people in France during attack on newspaper office.

One Brow said:
Whatever it takes to write good satire, I don't have it. That was not satire.

Satire is the leverage of the powerless to create change. Well-done satire reverberates for centuries (Swift) and can even become standard textbook material (Twain). It's the socially acceptable way to puncture the augustness and reverence given to institutions, be they of the government, the majority religion, or the corporate world. It uses humor, or horror, to replace angry diatribes. It enlightens by inviting the reader in.

Of course, satire can be and usually is poorly done (see Sturgeon's Law), and I have no opinion on how good the satire of Charlie Hebdo has been. Satire always falls flat when directed at the ideas of the disenfranchised. If Charlie Hebdo has been directing it's derision at the Muslim citizens of France, it's probably been poor satire. However, just as having a dirty police officer, or even a racist police culture, does not demean the calling of police work generally, poorly done satire does not demean satire generally.
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I love some good satire. Its just not heroic or worth dying for imo.
 
One Brow said:
Whatever it takes to write good satire, I don't have it. That was not satire.

Satire is the leverage of the powerless to create change. Well-done satire reverberates for centuries (Swift) and can even become standard textbook material (Twain). It's the socially acceptable way to puncture the augustness and reverence given to institutions, be they of the government, the majority religion, or the corporate world. It uses humor, or horror, to replace angry diatribes. It enlightens by inviting the reader in.

Of course, satire can be and usually is poorly done (see Sturgeon's Law), and I have no opinion on how good the satire of Charlie Hebdo has been. Satire always falls flat when directed at the ideas of the disenfranchised. If Charlie Hebdo has been directing it's derision at the Muslim citizens of France, it's probably been poor satire. However, just as having a dirty police officer, or even a racist police culture, does not demean the calling of police work generally, poorly done satire does not demean satire generally.
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Like when lucy would pull the football away right as Charlie Brown was about to kick it?
 
I think satire is pointing the target's weaknesses in his strong stand of truth while being not too directly about it. I'm not sure the French caricaturists were a strong example to that.
 
All I have to say is that it's a darn shame nobody told the Muslim gunmen it this attack about the strict gun laws in Paris. If only they had known...
 
If you find yourself with any view other than moderate views, you are most likely an irrational nut job. Far right, or far left,

People fighting over who's make believe God is real has to be the dumbest thing ever. Why hasn't it occurred to religious people that maybe, just maybe, the reason there is all these different god beliefs is because none of them are actually true.

I'm all for people believing whatever they want, but as soon as your dumb *** beliefs spill over into other people's lives, you got to go.

It appears to me that religion causes more harm than it does good.


It's utterly amazing just how dumb an smart people can be. Even at the same time.
 
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Surely said:
All I have to say is that it's a darn shame nobody told the Muslim gunmen it this attack about the strict gun laws in Paris. If only they had known...
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Just couldn't go without bringing your pet issue into the discussion, eh?

Never mind that the police who were shot, including the officer assigned to guard a staff member, were armed with semi-automatic 9mm pistols, and they are just as dead. It must be the gun laws that allowed this.

Please save your ignorance for another thread.
 
One Brow said:
Just couldn't go without bringing your pet issue into the discussion, eh?

Never mind that the police who were shot, including the officer assigned to guard a staff member, were armed with semi-automatic 9mm pistols, and they are just as dead. It must be the gun laws that allowed this.

Please save your ignorance for another thread.
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You do the same thing over and over...

Also:

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/09/europe/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting/

Two hostage situations are happening. One involves the remaining two gunmen from the Charlie Hebdo attack, NE of Paris. The other is in Paris itself and so far the police are not sure if they are connected..
 
Stoked said:
You do the same thing over and over...
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I try to do it only when the facts do not argue against it. Here, he was implying that had there been people with guns, this would not have happened, except there were trained people with guns, and it happened anyway.
 
Surely said:
All I have to say is that it's a darn shame nobody told the Muslim gunmen it this attack about the strict gun laws in Paris. If only they had known...
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One Brow said:
Here, he was implying that had there been people with guns, this would not have happened, except there were trained people with guns, and it happened anyway.
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Hilarious.
Good work ob
 
One Brow said:
I try to do it only when the facts do not argue against it. Here, he was implying that had there been people with guns, this would not have happened, except there were trained people with guns, and it happened anyway.
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No, I think what he's saying is that a gun ban did not prevent the attackers from attacking with guns.
 
Gameface said:
No, I think what he's saying is that a gun ban did not prevent the attackers from attacking with guns.
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If there anyone who claims that a gun ban will prevent any sort of shootings from ever occurring? If not, are you saying he was arguing with a straw man? If not that either, what do you think is the point of the statement?
 
One Brow said:
If there anyone who claims that a gun ban will prevent any sort of shootings from ever occurring? If not, are you saying he was arguing with a straw man? If not that either, what do you think is the point of the statement?
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The same as most other posts on a message board. He felt it needed to be said so he said it. People post like that all the time on here.

To me, he is clearly mocking the gun free zones and gun bans.
 
One Brow said:
If there anyone who claims that a gun ban will prevent any sort of shootings from ever occurring? If not, are you saying he was arguing with a straw man? If not that either, what do you think is the point of the statement?
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It is a very popular sentiment amongst pro-gun folks that establishments with a "no guns" sign are only preventing law abiding citizens from carrying guns there and possibly encouraging criminals to target them.

I'm not making the argument for him. Just clarifying what I think he was saying.
 
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