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Israel blocks Tlaib and Ilhan from entering country

One Brow said:
I agree Israel is not us, and has the right to deny entry to whomever they please. I was not aware there was a question on that score. My understanding was that we were discussing "Warrens shot on the US ally front for not kissing the asses of two people who routinely condemn them", and again, allowing entry to someone is not 'kissing their ***'. I assume you think Warren has the right to criticize Israel for their action. Do you think Warren was wrong to do so, and if so, why?
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Normally I’d agree. In this case I don’t. History and context matter.

I don’t think she’s “wrong”. I think she’s simply engaging in team behavior and I find it dumb. I don’t agree with her indication that a foreign power denying entry to two people they feel are detrimental to their county is somehow an indication that they are not firm allies.
 
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This isn't a huge suprise given Bibi's relationship with Trump, but I don't think it's particularly smart politically. They are basically reinforcing the criticisms that these congresswoman and others have leveled at the Israeli government. Republicans aren't going to control the US government forever and this sort of thing will not be forgotten.
 
NPC D4617 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...aib-israel-2020-democrats-race-latest-updates




Can't wait for the anti-semitic remarks from the "tolerant" left.

I think this proves who the real Nazi's are. The Democrats. I mean, if you are enemies with Jews it dont get more Nazi than that.
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Trying having a civil, reasonable, intelligent discussion. I believe you capable of doing so.

Real Nazis. Enemies. Your point is obvious and well taken. Your approach, however, is poor and thus essentially negates any point you had.

This shouldn’t be a contest about who wins or who’s wrong or right. It shouldn’t be about one-upping “the other side.” It should be about educating and learning. About collecting information about politics, at home and internationally, and making informed decisions based on such.
 
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NPC D4617 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...aib-israel-2020-democrats-race-latest-updates




Can't wait for the anti-semitic remarks from the "tolerant" left.

I think this proves who the real Nazi's are. The Democrats. I mean, if you are enemies with Jews it dont get more Nazi than that.
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A person can be opposed to the policies of the state of Israel, without being anti-Semitic. And, it takes a special kind of jerk to confuse the two. Especially, since I suspect you are deliberately merging the two. I'm not crazy about how the state of Israel treats the Palestinians. At the same time, growing up, in my high school years specifically, almost all of my closest friends were Jewish. I'm still in touch with some, and still count them as friends. And, even had that not been the case, I can't imagine myself ever being anti-Semitic.

Heck, there are plenty of Jewish Israeli citizens opposed to the policies of Netanyahu. Does that mean those Jews are anti-Semitic? What a stupid argument you present.
 


Hmmm.



Seems strange that the Israeli government doesn't have a problem allowing antisemites into their country but won't allow these congresswomen in (one of whom is Palestinian and has family there).

It's almost like there's a different reason altogether for it.
 
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Stoked said:
I don’t think she’s “wrong”. I think she’s simply engaging in team behavior and I find it dumb. I don’t agree with her indication that a foreign power denying entry to two people they feel are detrimental to their county is somehow an indication that they are not firm allies.
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The tweet in the post said they are not 'advancing their case' for being a firm ally, which is different from saying they are not firm allies. Do you think Israel's denial of entry improves their alliance with the US?
 
One Brow said:
The tweet in the post said they are not 'advancing their case' for being a firm ally, which is different from saying they are not firm allies. Do you think Israel's denial of entry improves their alliance with the US?
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I don’t think it moves the needle at all. It’ll be forgotten in 2-3 days.

Your trying to hard to find nuance.
 
Zombie said:
This isn't a huge suprise given Bibi's relationship with Trump, but I don't think it's particularly smart politically. They are basically reinforcing the criticisms that these congresswoman and others have leveled at the Israeli government. Republicans aren't going to control the US government forever and this sort of thing will not be forgotten.
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The two were going for the explicit purpose of furthering an anti-Israel agenda. Israel has a long policy of not allowing those types of instigators/agitators free reign in their country.

See: Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction resolution that they are both championing.
 
Red said:
A person can be opposed to the policies of the state of Israel, without being anti-Semitic. And, it takes a special kind of jerk to confuse the two. Especially, since I suspect you are deliberately merging the two. I'm not crazy about how the state of Israel treats the Palestinians. At the same time, growing up, in my high school years specifically, almost all of my closest friends were Jewish. I'm still in touch with some, and still count them as friends. And, even had that not been the case, I can't imagine myself ever being anti-Semitic.

Heck, there are plenty of Jewish Israeli citizens opposed to the policies of Netanyahu. Does that mean those Jews are anti-Semitic? What a stupid argument you present.
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Now you know how it feels to talk to a liberal when they throw around the racist accusation so easily.

You are right its stupid. Im doing it to prove a point. Whats REALLY stupid is that you cant see that. And that you cant see how similar the two accusations are. You only see one side, because...wait for it... you are a biased a-hole who doesnt actually care about people, but rather an ideology and winning arguments. You arent fair. You arent rational. You are the opposite of that.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Trying having a civil, reasonable, intelligent discussion. I believe you capable of doing so.

Real Nazis. Enemies. Your point is obvious and well taken. Your approach, however, is poor and thus essentially negates any point you had.

This shouldn’t be a contest about who wins or who’s wrong or right. It shouldn’t be about one-upping “the other side.” It should be about educating and learning. About collecting information about politics, at home and internationally, and making informed decisions based on such.
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I agree. See the post I made for Red just barely.

We are past learning and having civil discussions. The left uses cheap tactics and isnt worth being civil to. Sometimes you do need to fight fire with fire.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Oh, so calling Jews when they act badly isnt anti-semetic. But call out any non white race for acting badly is racist? Or calling out a women acting badly or being stupid is sexist?

When someone disagrees with Illhan or Tlaib they are deemed racist and sexist. You know its true.

The left needs to play by their own rules, or STFU.
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Israel does not equal "Jews." Israel is a nation that does some things that are bad, and those bad things should be pointed out.
 
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