It's happening bros...

[Hotdog]

Not trading Kanter really sucks.

Not only do we run the chance of letting him walk for nothing, but in order to get him to stay, we will probably have to give him the max or close to it. Which isn't a good idea on any level.

This is only going to complicate things with Rudy Gobert. Sooner or later he has to start. Its effing retarded if he doesnt. Even if we find 30 min a piece for Rudy, Favors, and Gobert, then that just means Booker walks because he won't be happy. So keeping Kanter means bye bye to Booker.

Kanter won't stay unless he gets the max. His qualifying offer is 7.8 mil. If all you are offering is 10 mil per, he'll just say no thanks and will take the qualifying offer and get a lot more the following year when the cap goes up.


So basically we will be playing a dumb game of trying to keep Kanter happy, while pissing off Gobert and Favors, for only a year and a half rental of Kanter.

There is a small chance we can do a sign and trade in the offseason, but not likely.

I predict Kanter takes his qualifying offer, or the Jazz are forced to offer the max and then we are stuck with Kanter for a long time. While Kanter just eats into Gobert's minutes. Neither of those scenarios are good for the team

 

[b_line]

It's not happening bros

It's gonna happen bro

 

[Siro]

Detroit is still looking for a pg. rumours of Norris cole. I'm surprised that there are no recent rumours regarding Trey. A trade for Trey wouldn't surprise me.


Philly has no healthly pgs. Their GM said that they would have a pg before their game on Friday.

They're probably looking for a pg who's not awful.

 

[colton]

Locke just tweeted this stuff again:
Since Dec 18th - Jazz big man defensive rating w Kanter.
League Average 103.7
Kanter/Gobert 100.4
Kanter/Favors 101.7
Kanter/Booker 103.3

Where's the Favors/Gobert number?

 

[Crawlnstall]

I'm just curious what offers that Jazz are getting for Kanter, if any

 

[b_line]

Where's the Favors/Gobert number?

Locke left it out conveniently. You missed the discussion about it above.

 

[colton]

To Kanter's defense (pun intended), he has been playing better of late. He's never going to a great defender, but he has improved.

I agree. That's why I posted elsewhere (earlier in this thread?) that his lack of passing out of the double-team is really what irks me the most. His defense I can live with, especially if he continues to improve a bit more on that front.

 

[colton]

Locke left it out conveniently. You missed the discussion about it above.

Yeah, I posted the question before reading the full thread.

 

[stitches]

I have a degree in statistics. The numbers he is citing are pointless. They say nothing about Kanter's defensive ability, which actually doesn't require a degree in statistics to understand.

Indeed, it doesn't say much about Kanter's individual defensive ability, but it might be saying something about the team's ability to perform respectably in defense even with him on the floor thanks to defensive schemes.

This is a speculation, because I haven't researched it, but those numbers might be pointing to something else. Kanter has been playing a lot more with Dante in the last month or so, while Gobert has been playing more with Trey. It might be an indication about the importance of having a perimeter defender who doesn't get beat off the dribble automatically like Trey does. In other words, I'm not saying Kanter defends well, but he might be getting put in fewer bad situation where he's likely to make a mistake by having a PG who actually keeps up with his assignment in the pick and roll

 

[b_line]

Yeah, I posted the question before reading the full thread.

no worries, we apparently have to get to 100 pages before kanter can be traded anyway...

 

[Spinoza]

Indeed, it doesn't say much about Kanter's individual defensive ability, but it might be saying something about the team's ability to perform respectably in defense even with him on the floor thanks to defensive schemes.

This is a speculation, because I haven't researched it, but those numbers might be pointing to something else. Kanter has been playing a lot more with Dante in the last month or so, while Gobert has been playing more with Trey. It might be an indication about the importance of having a perimeter defender who doesn't get beat off the dribble automatically like Trey does. In other words, I'm not saying Kanter defends well, but he might be getting put in fewer bad situation where he's likely to make a mistake by having a PG who actually keeps up with his assignment in the pick and roll

Yea, that was the first question that came to my mind. How much has Kanter been playing with Exum as opposed to Burke?

 

[sgjazzfan]

Where's the Favors/Gobert number?

He's talking about Kanter's defense, not Goberts. I get that the reason he isn't playing as much is because Gobert is so good defensively, but he's trying to show that Kanter hasn't been that bad defensively.

 

[b_line]

Yea, that was the first question that came to my mind. How much has Kanter been playing with Exum as opposed to Burke?

Wasn't that when Ingles and Millsap started getting more minutes too? I think the team makeup changed significantly around then. Locke is a hack if he expects to pass these numbers off as meaningful.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We got an hour left, right?

 

[b_line]

We got an hour left, right?

An hour and ten minutes

 

[kabenac]

Imagine if we trade Burke but not Kanter!

 

[♪alt13]

Can we still trade Kanter's bird rights on draft day?

 

[b_line]

Can we still trade Kanter's bird rights on draft day?

No, tragically not. I think that should be a revision in the next CBA.

 

[colton]

Imagine if we trade Burke but not Kanter!

I can't see that happening. The only way we'd trade Burke is if we get a PG back. And the only way we'll get a PG is by trading Kanter. (A Burke-for-some-other-PG trade just wouldn't make any sense.)

 

[Stifle Tower]

Not trading Kanter really sucks.

Not only do we run the chance of letting him walk for nothing, but in order to get him to stay, we will probably have to give him the max or close to it. Which isn't a good idea on any level.

This is only going to complicate things with Rudy Gobert. Sooner or later he has to start. Its effing retarded if he doesnt. Even if we find 30 min a piece for Rudy, Favors, and Gobert, then that just means Booker walks because he won't be happy. So keeping Kanter means bye bye to Booker.

Kanter won't stay unless he gets the max. His qualifying offer is 7.8 mil. If all you are offering is 10 mil per, he'll just say no thanks and will take the qualifying offer and get a lot more the following year when the cap goes up.


So basically we will be playing a dumb game of trying to keep Kanter happy, while pissing off Gobert and Favors, for only a year and a half rental of Kanter.

There is a small chance we can do a sign and trade in the offseason, but not likely.

I predict Kanter takes his qualifying offer, or the Jazz are forced to offer the max and then we are stuck with Kanter for a long time. While Kanter just eats into Gobert's minutes. Neither of those scenarios are good for the team

If all we're being offered is a 2nd or crappy players, do you have to pull the trigger now?

Who says Kanter will still be on the team next Fall? We can retain his rights and deal him in a S&T. We can rescind the QO before he signs it to clear up cap space to sign a high quality FA. Or he can sign the QO and be traded sometime next year.

We have no way of knowing what has been offered for Enes. I don't care about 2nd's; they're virtually worthless. Those can be bought if needed. Or Jazz can bring in players with as much value as a 2nd as free agents (Elijah, Ingles, etc.).

I agree Gobert needs to start. Even IF Enes comes back, I'd trust Quin to make the right call. They're not going to try to placate Enes if he's on a 1yr QO.

As for Booker, the Jazz hold his option for next season. Sure, he wants more PT. But if he sees Kanter will be gone, I think he'll make his determination at that point. He's in a good spot - unless he thinks he can still be a starter somewhere else.