Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[Avery]

There won't be any reports on it, but Sam Presti will be despondent after this trade goes down. His world will be rocked.

Then his next move for OKC will reek of desperation.

I think OKC is likely to start moving some of those picks for established assets or higher picks. They probably see themselves as really trying to contend in three years and it's not a quantity game with them anymore, but quality in their rotation.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

True. Perhaps I should clarify my thoughts here. I have no issues with them accumulating as many picks as possible, but I don't want it at the expense of them getting some talent with some known upside. For the very least that I want a reason to watch this team next season. If the Mitchell trade is like the Gobert trade, with a lot of picks and a Vanderbilt type player....yay, great for the tank and all but I have no interest in watching this team. I'll definitely be looking forward to next June, but I'll have about 10 months to do something else with my life. And this is coming from someone who has watched damn near 82 regular season Jazz games a year for the past 20 years. I enjoy watching the Jazz, and I don't want to give that up, but ultimately the product has to be at least interesting in one way or the other to watch.

It's why I'm hoping at the very least a Toppin type player is included in the deal. I can make myself believe that he will be a good player down the road, even if it's not the reality.

I've thought about this as well. How many teams have 0 borderline all stars or even potential borderline all stars. The Jazz will likely want a player they can advertise to come see.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I think OKC is likely to start moving some of those picks for established assets or higher picks. They probably see themselves as really trying to contend in three years and it's not a quantity game with them anymore, but quality in their rotation.

*shrug, perhaps they will be totally successful.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think OKC is likely to start moving some of those picks for established assets or higher picks. They probably see themselves as really trying to contend in three years and it's not a quantity game with them anymore, but quality in their rotation.

I think it will be hard for them to tank this year as hard as they have in the past. SGA, Giddy, Dort, Chet is going to win some games... Williams looks promising as well. I think they end up with a top 7-8 pick this year.

It would really be a huge benefit for us to get lucky in this lotto or next... orlando is really the cautionary tale imo. They got really unlucky and ended up being an 8 seed without much of a chance to draft a BIG difference maker.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I don't get it either and I'm in complete agreement. Here are picks the Jazz have made when drafting in the Top 10 since Stockton and Malone retired:

2005, #3: Deron Williams. Great pick, even with all the baggage that came later.
2010:, #9 Gordon Hayward: Pretty good pick, no complaints there even though I detest him.
2011, #3: Enes Kanter. Horrible pick. **** him
2014: #5. Dante Exum. Horrible pick. Even without the injuries I couldn't envision him becoming great.

So it's a mixed bag at best. The Jazz got two better players (other than maybe Deron) with the #13 and #27 picks.

The fact that only 1 out of every 3 first-round picks becomes a solid player is just further evidence that the Jazz need more picks. Ainge drafted Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and Robert Williams. However, he also drafted Aaron Nesmith, Romeo Langford, James Young, RJ Hunter and some other duds. Even teams that are good at drafting need multiple swings to get a hit, they need to be willing to take big swings on upside despite risk, and they need to get a bit lucky with their draft position and other circumstances.

The Jazz took a swing on Gobert because they had an extra pick. It was a low-risk, high-reward situation. People thought Gobert had potential, but no one could say he'd become 3x DPOY and All NBA. A small-market team like the Jazz needs to build through the draft, and more picks means more bites at the apple.

IMO, the Jazz should want to make 10 picks in the next 3 drafts if they can. At least 5 of those picks should be wings.

 

[Avery]

I think it will be hard for them to tank this year as hard as they have in the past. SGA, Giddy, Dort, Chet is going to win some games... Williams looks promising as well. I think they end up with a top 7-8 pick this year.

It would really be a huge benefit for us to get lucky in this lotto or next... orlando is really the cautionary tale imo. They got really unlucky and ended up being an 8 seed without much of a chance to draft a BIG difference maker.

OKC tanked hard the last month of the season - they're going to win at least 30 games this season and probably a few more. No reason they can't have a similar trajectory as Memphis even if they're still trying to find a true #1 like Morant.

 

[framer]

Couple of things:
1. Quickly is an FOD (friend of Don.) Leave him there if you can to sow lockerroom dissention.

2. Don is important to New York. With an all star (and Don will be an all star every year he plays in New York) New York attracts the better buyout targets and the top mid level guys each year. He is more portent than just his stats.

3. Get Grimes. He's a for-certain NBA player and a 3 and D guy. That's better currency than most draft picks.

4. If the Jazz rebuild is going so well that we give up that 24 draft pick, I'm not going to cry too much. It means something went really really right.

 

[framer]

The fact that only 1 out of every 3 first-round picks becomes a solid player is just further evidence that the Jazz need more picks. Ainge drafted Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and Robert Williams. However, he also drafted Aaron Nesmith, Romeo Langford, James Young, RJ Hunter and some other duds. Even teams that are good at drafting need multiple swings to get a hit, they need to be willing to take big swings on upside despite risk, and they need to get a bit lucky with their draft position and other circumstances.

The Jazz took a swing on Gobert because they had an extra pick. It was a low-risk, high-reward situation. People thought Gobert had potential, but no one could say he'd become 3x DPOY and All NBA. A small-market team like the Jazz needs to build through the draft, and more picks means more bites at the apple.

IMO, the Jazz should want to make 10 picks in the next 3 drafts if they can. At least 5 of those picks should be wings.

Just get Grimes now then.

 

[Hekate]

Welp, unless the Jazz have a player worth watching on their team, this will be the first year in about 20 years I probably won't be watching the Jazz.

It's okay. Jazz fans are one of the most loyal fans I have seen. People watched Al Jefferson and Josh Howard playing meaningless basketball.

And as soon as you draft Wemby or Scoot or anyone that's slightly exciting, people will be back.

Lol, Houston fans are in awe of Jalen Green and are still talking about how he was a better pick than Mobley. It's easy for fans to buy into youth, development and potential.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Couple of things:
1. Quickly is an FOD (friend of Don.) Leave him there if you can to sow lockerroom dissention.

2. Don is important to New York. With an all star (and Don will be an all star every year he plays in New York) New York attracts the better buyout targets and the top mid level guys each year. He is more portent than just his stats.

3. Get Grimes. He's a for-certain NBA player and a 3 and D guy. That's better currency than most draft picks.

4. If the Jazz rebuild is going so well that we give up that 24 draft pick, I'm not going to cry too much. It means something went really really right.

So? Get Quickly if you can, he is good. What's he going to do? Ruin his career and not take advantage at a huge opportunity to be a NBA starter?

 

[mongoose01]

It's okay. Jazz fans are one of the most loyal fans I have seen. People watched Al Jefferson and Josh Howard playing meaningless basketball.

And as soon as you draft Wemby or Scoot or anyone that's slightly exciting, people will be back.

Lol, Houston fans are in awe of Jalen Green and are still talking about how he was a better pick than Mobley. It's easy for fans to buy into youth, development and potential.

I’d much rather watch these young guys compete tooth and nail for time and opportunities than watch a bunch of egotistical cry babies check out on defense and bitch about calls all game long.

It’s the fans job to bitch about calls


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[Handlogten's Heros]

So? Get Quickly if you can, he is good. What's he going to do? Ruin his career and not take advantage at a huge opportunity to be a NBA starter?

He has an opportunity to make a **** ton of money scoring like 20 a game starting on a terrible team or he can come off the bench for a team with two tiny guards and play maybe like 20 minutes a night max?

 

[idiot]

TJ pretty active on Twitter today. Must mean nothing's imminent. I think he's almost always quite silent if something is afoot.

 

[gomretat]

I have bad news for you... we absolutely are going the Thunder route whether or not we get the Knicks young guys and picks or just picks.

Unprotected picks have a way of coming back to haunt teams. Cleveland got the pick that became Kyrie by taking on a salary dump trade from the Clippers. Tatum and Brown obviously are good examples... this year NOP got the #8 and OKC got #12 from teams that were supposed to give away late picks. Danny also traded an unprotected pick for Kyrie Irving because of the mystery box element of the pick.

Picks are the currency and are just so useful in a rebuild in numerous ways. The unprotected picks are so much more valuable than the ones that might have restrictions. Those are the priority.

Where we are headed is obvious so you are quite late on the bad news part. I hope we get lucky like Danny did in Boston but proven talent means a lot more to me. Languishing for years in a rebuild when we had someone who wanted to be here and someone you could build around like Rudy makes no sense to me. I am all in on mixing it up and trading Donny because it wasnt working and it has been clear for several years that he doesn't want to be here. Why not just trade Donovan and get a haul with a few good pieces and see what we could create with a new coach and players who want to be here?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Grimes is interesting. It seems like he has some potential to develop into a Malcom Brogdon-like big guard in the right situation. Those types of players have value. But I don't think one prospect or one pick is going to make a difference to this trade happening one way or another.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He has an opportunity to make a **** ton of money scoring like 20 a game starting on a terrible team or he can come off the bench for a team with two tiny guards and play maybe like 20 minutes a night max?

I mean, I wont be surprised if he's not thrilled, but the poster made it seem like he was going to come here and sabotage the Jazz because they traded Mitchell?

 

[gomretat]

To be a title contender, you basically need a top 10 player. If you're in a small market, the only realistic way of getting a top 10 player is through the draft. Having a treasure trove of 1st rounders increases the probability of not only landing a top 10 player, but also building around him via trades.

It's not even about tanking, it's about accumulating as many bites at the apple as possible.

That is a fair assessment because drafting in the NBA is the ultimate crap shoot. I am not convinced there weren't other options for us but certainly the blow up approach is what Ainge does. Moving Donny makes sense to me in any scenario because it has been clear for multiple years that he doesn't want to be here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm guessing if NY did it they would want to do it on Monday and not lose it in the Friday afternoon news cycle. Maybe discussions over the weekend and announcement on Monday?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mitchell is a star that has to be in a big market to capitalize on his brand. While he comes off as a nice professional dude, he just doesnt have a big personality. I think Adidas made a mistake in signing him tbh (though it's about to pay-off). They will be thrilled.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm guessing if NY did it they would want to do it on Monday and not lose it in the Friday afternoon news cycle. Maybe discussions over the weekend and announcement on Monday?

Lose it? This thing is going to be on a week long news run.