Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[stitches]

Why on Earth would NOP go all in on Mitchell when they have McCollum?

Not saying DM isnt an upgrade over CJ, but it's on the margins and the cost would be through the roof.

Makes no sense.

Who knows? Maybe they really prefer Mitchell over McCollum. I'm telling you - we don't know what kind of conversations are happening behind closed doors at other teams' FO meetings. Who thought Gobert to MIN is a good idea with KAT signing extension?

Also... Cleveland. ANY team that can offer 27 and 29 unprotected + a few swaps, can compete against that NYK offer IMO. I personally value 26 and 28 swaps more than the random heavily protected picks the Knicks can give us and won't ever materialize into anything more than a pick in the late teens or 20s.

Grizzlies... Suns... TOR...

 

[Elizah Huge]

Ainge really is about to break the record for most first round picks in a deal if he wants a significant upgrade over 5 (which would tie the record). This man is a god.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sure, the Raptors, but why the **** do we want a Raptors package over what New York just offered? Is there 100% best offer even better than what New York has on the table?

The Knicks have a valid point that there low offer is better than most team's offers (unless these sad franchises are willing to go 100% in, which they arent).

I think we are living in fantasy land to think we are actually going to deal with another team that isn't New York. This is just a staring contest.

The Raps can do up to 4 firsts of their own unprotected. Let's say they do 3 and OG Anunoby, Trent Jr. You add a third team (cleveland, Phoenix, NO, ect.) that takes OG for expiring money (or just not negative) and two firsts. So 5 firsts unprotected and no bad salary. You short two team's futures in hopes one sucks.

I know the Raps are currently really good... but FVV and Siakham will hit FA... maybe Barnes doesn't explode like the supernova some think... the 25/27 picks should be decently valuable... and that wasn't even the 100% offer.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I may be in the minority but I’d rather "settle" on getting $1.25 on the dollar vs $1.50 or even $1.75 on the dollar if it meant trading Donovan before the season started vs next offseason.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ainge really is about to break the record for most first round picks in a deal if he wants a significant upgrade over 5 (which would tie the record). This man is a god.

I think what you do is take the deal they are offering and say... we both know this isn't good enough. So if you really want to get this done we will come down from our ambitious ask. Take the package and add 1 pick and 1 player to the deal. Here are your choices:

- Add Grimes and a protected pick (plus 1 swap).

- Add Quickley and an unprotected pick in 27.

They might try and tweak it by saying IQ and 27 but give back a protected pick... we say fine but we get a few seconds and you take Rudy Gay.

We just aren't that far off here.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I may be in the minority but I’d rather "settle" on getting $1.25 on the dollar vs $1.50 or even $1.75 on the dollar if it meant trading Donovan before the season started vs next offseason.

Yeah, I mostly agree. I'm ready for this to be over and not have to focus on it during the actual season. I just want to start backstroking in our vault of picks like Scrooge McDuck.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Yeah, I mostly agree. I'm ready for this to be over and not have to focus on it during the actual season. I just want to start backstroking in our vault of picks like Scrooge McDuck.

It just devalues our pick this year so much that the hold up on a protected pick or something of that sort just isn’t worth it.

 

[jumpin bean]

Knicks will get Mitchell at any cost, let them sweat it till they come around to our price. For them,Don is too big a fish in New York to let get off the line.

 

[Shad]

Grimes absolutely has to be a part of the deal to me.

 

[TheStormofWar]

NY Post is reporting talks are stalled over the amount of unprotected 1st. I'm guessing they'll wind up in the middle and we'll get the Gobert package.

The reason Knicks, Jazz reached stalemate in Donovan Mitchell trade talks

It’s not about the players in the package. It’s not about the amount of first-round picks.

nypost.com

According to a recent proposal, courtesy of Shams Charania of The Athletic, the Knicks offered Obi Toppin, Evan Fournier, cash, two unprotected first-round picks and three protected for a total of five.

The Jazz declined. A source told The Post Ainge is after four unprotected first-round picks — not just two. That’s no small gap.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

NY Post is reporting talks are stalled over the amount of unprotected 1st. I'm guessing they'll wind up in the middle and we'll get the Gobert package.

The reason Knicks, Jazz reached stalemate in Donovan Mitchell trade talks

It’s not about the players in the package. It’s not about the amount of first-round picks.

nypost.com

Let's see... Ainge wants 4... Knicks are offering 2... I wonder if there is a way they could meet in the middle?

It's just so funny in business and negotiations we all have to do these stupid dances.

 

[Shad]

Let's see... Ainge wants 4... Knicks are offering 2... I wonder if there is a way they could meet in the middle?

It's just so funny in business and negotiations we all have to do these stupid dances.

Give us 3 Unprotected, Grimes, Obi, Evan, and 2 protected and call it a day.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we did 23/26/28 firsts... next year they could offer 24/30 with RJ or Jalen to try and get an upgrade.

23/26/28 with a swap in 27 is my prediction on which Knicks picks we end up with. The rest could be anything.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we did 23/26/28 firsts... next year they could offer 24/30 with RJ or Jalen to try and get an upgrade.

23/26/28 with a swap in 27 is my prediction on which Knicks picks we end up with. The rest could be anything.

Could also do 23/28 unprotected, which allows them to trade 24/26/30 next year. Give us swaps in 25/27/29 with the Wolves picks.

But allowing them to do this we get the 4 protected picks they own and Grimes/Toppin instead of IQ/Toppin.

Gives us 5 shots that they send a high pick our way. Ainge gets the pick record. Rose has more stuff to trade for his second star.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Could also do 23/28 unprotected, which allows them to trade 24/26/30 next year. Give us swaps in 25/27/29 with the Wolves picks.

But allowing them to do this we get the 4 protected picks they own and Grimes/Toppin instead of IQ/Toppin.

Gives us 5 shots that they send a high pick our way. Ainge gets the pick record. Rose has more stuff to trade for his second star.

Or supposedly they aren't concerned on the players going back and forth... so how about Grimes/IQ/Toppin, 23/28 unprotected... swaps in 25/27/29 with the Wolves pick, and our choice of 3 of the 4 protected picks... plus a couple seconds and they take Gay off our hands.

If they want the ability to make a second trade with their picks something like that may be better.

 

[jaydhn]

Why give the Knicks a chance to match? If the Jazz get a better deal eff the Knicks. Let them read about it on the interwebs.

I think the Knick fans would rejoice considering the offer that's currently out there.

 

[Jingled]

Checketts says someone from the Jazz told him there is a team that hasn't been reported yet that's made an offer for Don that they like quite a bit. Andy says Miami has offered a lot and some in the Jazz organization like Tyler Herro.


View: https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1561862763063824384

 

[Coach Ellis]

Checketts says someone from the Jazz told him there is a team that hasn't been reported yet that's made an offer for Don that they like quite a bit. Andy says Miami has offered a lot and some in the Jazz organization like Tyler Herro.


View: https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1561862763063824384

I’m hoping that the “unnamed team” is Orlando and that it’s leaked that they’re leaning towards doing something similar to the Gobert trade (3 unprotected, 1 top 5 protected) plus Suggs and pick swaps. That would be hard to pass up tbh. New York would have to back up the truck to outbid them IMO.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Checketts says someone from the Jazz told him there is a team that hasn't been reported yet that's made an offer for Don that they like quite a bit. Andy says Miami has offered a lot and some in the Jazz organization like Tyler Herro.


View: https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1561862763063824384

I still think the Herro, Jovic plus 3 Miami picks and all the swaps they can offer is better than the current Knicks offer.

I think there are 3-4 other credible offers out there and Knicks are playing with fire a bit. I get they need to keep some in the cupboards for their next move, but you gotta get the first one done.

 

[sip]

At some point these so called other teams are just going to say screw you because we are strictly using them as leverage against the knicks with no intention of actually making a move with them. I just hope that this doesn't drag out to the point that we begin to burn bridges with multiple gm's that simply don't want to engage with Ainge in the future.