Jazz Defensive rankings

[fishonjazz]

Although we're allowing 79 ppg, we've already lost a game. Out of 3 played. So I don't know about fish's theory.

True about my undefeated theory.
Of course I only said they might go undefeated.

I still think they would finish with the best record of all time if they allowed 79 points per game over the whole season

 

[Stoked]

Our D is and will be amazing this season. It is not a fluke. But in the NBA you also need to be able to score. Jazz will improve once Hayward gets going but the Jazz need more than that. The need another 3 point threat that will actually shoot the 3. 2 more shooters to replace Johnson and Millsap would be preferable.

Hope the FO makes that and PG the primary focus this trade deadline and offseason.

 

[spycam1]

Our D is and will be amazing this season. It is not a fluke. But in the NBA you also need to be able to score. Jazz will improve once Hayward gets going but the Jazz need more than that. The need another 3 point threat that will actually shoot the 3. 2 more shooters to replace Johnson and Millsap would be preferable.

Hope the FO makes that and PG the primary focus this trade deadline and offseason.

I'm hoping the Pacers continue to suck and they decide to blow it up and trade us George Hill.

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[NAOS]

Use whatever measurements you want, but I saw the jazz D take the soul away from those Indy players. I love following a team that can dispirit their opposition like that. I hope they all get addicted to taking souls.

 

[MDAV28]

I'm with ya. I don't think these three games prove that the jazz will have the best defense when the season is all said and done

Soooo the 79 PPG is not all you need?

 

[MDAV28]

I'm hoping the Pacers continue to suck and they decide to blow it up and trade us George Hill.

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I could see this as a real possibility. The one concern is that he is an unrestricted FA after next season.. Don't think DL gives up much value for someone we project to be a veteran backup and may only be here two to one-half seasons.

 

[Gameface]

Soooo the 79 PPG is not all you need?

I think he's saying we will not hold teams to an average of 79ppg over the course of a season.

 

[MDAV28]

I think he's saying we will not hold teams to an average of 79ppg over the course of a season.

I mean why not? Because you have to consider opponents, pace, etc. So you have to look outside the 79 PPG number.

 

[Gameface]

I mean why not? Because you have to consider opponents, pace, etc. So you have to look outside the 79 PPG number.

Sure, but I think his point stands. If the Jazz were able to keep teams to 79ppg over the course of the season we would have a historically good defensive team and we would be a top team in the league, no doubt. The 79ppg would be a very good indication that the other defensive metrics would also be good. It doesn't tell you exactly what those other numbers would be, but they couldn't be bad if we held teams to 79ppg.

 

[♪alt13]

Most likely no, never. To have such fluidity isn't just repetition starting age 24.. There is a talent there, honed through time. No if Gobert can have a decent hook shot to 6/8 feet that would be tops. if he can shoot FTs at 65% or more + learns how to become an aggressive roll player, thant he will go all the way up to 15ppg almost organically I think.

I didn't mean on Kareem's level. I realize that won't happen. I tried to find the closest Kareem hook shot I could. I don't think there is anyway Gobert is going to start making 15 foot baseline hook shots, but a baby sky hook would make the Gobert Favors combo an unstoppable force in today's NBA.

 

[Siro]

 

[spycam1]

I could see this as a real possibility. The one concern is that he is an unrestricted FA after next season.. Don't think DL gives up much value for someone we project to be a veteran backup and may only be here two to one-half seasons.

We'd have him for two seasons, and if he decides to leave in FA, Exum should be ready to take over by then. I think acquiring Hill would vastly improve the PG play this year and next year for relatively cheap (8 mill per). Hopefully he'd be willing to stay as Exum's future long term back up, but if not, having a legit PG through 2017 would still be worth it IMO. Him being a UFA relatively soon is part of what makes him acquirable, and his contract fits nicely with Exum's timetable of development.

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[MDAV28]

Sure, but I think his point stands. If the Jazz were able to keep teams to 79ppg over the course of the season we would have a historically good defensive team and we would be a top team in the league, no doubt. The 79ppg would be a very good indication that the other defensive metrics would also be good. It doesn't tell you exactly what those other numbers would be, but they couldn't be bad if we held teams to 79ppg.

Of course other defensive metrics would be good, nobody is doubting that. He literally said he needs no other information other than 79 PPG to know that the Jazz have the best defense. That is what's wrong and why you can't use PPG alone because that 79 PPG doesn't tell you that they played one of the worst offenses of all-time.

It really doesn't even matter. Jazz defense has been stellar we are all in agreement!

 

[MDAV28]

We'd have him for two seasons, and if he decides to leave in FA, Exum should be ready to take over by then. I think acquiring Hill would vastly improve the PG play this year and next year for relatively cheap (8 mill per). Hopefully he'd be willing to stay as Exum's future long term back up, but if not, having a legit PG through 2017 would still be worth it IMO. Him being a UFA relatively soon is part of what makes him acquirable, and his contract fits nicely with Exum's timetable of development.

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Well one and one-half considering you'd figure they'd see where they are around the trade deadline. And that also gives Exum just one more year of development.. definitely not set in stone that he "should" be ready after another year. Just don't see Dennis moving multiple future assets (first round picks, Lyles) for him. We will see what happens when the Pacers suck though, cause they will suck.

 

[JAZZGASM]

We have the second best point differential in the league at +14.6. All of the other top 8 teams in differential average over 100 ppg, yet we are #2 averaging 94 ppg. Competition so far is surely a factor, but this is pretty impressive.

 

[fishonjazz]

Soooo the 79 PPG is not all you need?

Ya it is. So far 79 ppg is enough to tell me we have had one of the best defenses in the league so far.

Any game that I see the opponent score less than 80 points, I know we played fantastic defense. Without looking at anything else.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I know it's early, but it's still nice to be in this list of the top 6 pt differential teams.

GSW
Utah
Cleveland
Toronto
OKC
San Antonio

I hope we can keep it up.

What would our differential be if we played a decent first game of the season against Detroit?

 

[fishonjazz]

Sure, but I think his point stands. If the Jazz were able to keep teams to 79ppg over the course of the season we would have a historically good defensive team and we would be a top team in the league, no doubt. The 79ppg would be a very good indication that the other defensive metrics would also be good. It doesn't tell you exactly what those other numbers would be, but they couldn't be bad if we held teams to 79ppg.

Yep. This is what I have been trying to say.
If we hold a team to 79 points then I don't need to look at other defensive metrics. I already know those other metrics will look good.

 

[spycam1]

Well one-half considering you'd figure they'd see where they are around the trade deadline. And that also gives Exum just one more year of development.. definitely not set in stone that he "should" be ready after another year. Just don't see Dennis moving multiple future assets (first round picks, Lyles) for him. We will see what happens when the Pacers suck though, cause they will suck.

My hope would be that Burke/Lyles would get it done.

Trades do happen before the deadline. If their season should be aborted, it will be apparent before then. It's not a given that the trade would have to wait until February, so it could be closer to two full seasons with Hill.

And, of course, there is still the chance of him being willing to re-sign.

In terms of Exum, I think one year backing up Hill after he recovers from his injury would be just fine. You can't have young talent coming off the bench for too long like we did in the Corbin era.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

My hope would be that Burke/Lyles would get it done.

Trades do happen before the deadline. If their season should be aborted, it will be apparent before then. It's not a given that the trade would have to wait until February, so it could be closer to two full seasons with Hill.

And, of course, there is still the chance of him being willing to re-sign.

In terms of Exum, I think one year backing up Hill after he recovers from his injury would be just fine. You can't have young talent coming off the bench for too long like we did in the Corbin era.

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Trey Lyles is really going to have to turn it on and start showing more flashes of his potential for that trade to happen. It seems like the Pacers could probably do better for Hill than a backup PG and a border-line lottery talent PF.