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Jazz players at the World Cup

fishonjazz said:
I was on break yesterday and watched a little bit of the game and what i saw was plumlee strip barea of the ball which led to a nice fast break bucket by rose

then i saw harden pass up a wide open 3 and passed down low to an open plumlee for the easy basket

then thompson passed to rudy gay who was in the post with a point guard on him for an easy turnaround 8 foot jumper.


I have yet to see a single post in this thread saying something good about what team usa has done in any game so far....... yet they are destroying every team, every game.

Just seems like alot of hatin for our own country team goin on
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Yep. I read this thread during the game against DR - I thought the U.S. had squeaked out a 1 point win. Nope, they won by about 45. lol.

Bottom line regarding Hayward - he just isn't that good. He'll be a decent role player or a solid Robin to Burks' Batman, but when competing with all-star caliber players, a role player like Hayward just doesn't belong. One of these kids is not like the others.
 
Even though the US is winning, doesn't mean they are playing good basketball. They obviously have more talent that most of these other countries at every position.
 
Doublea said:
Even though the US is winning, doesn't mean they are playing good basketball. They obviously have more talent that most of these other countries at every position.
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They are not just winning though.
They are dominating, shooting good percentage, low turnovers, etc etc.

And this team isn't nearly as talented as teams from past years. Hayward almost made the team.
 
France is playing right now vs Finland. You can watch it on French Canal Sport+. Here's live boxscore: https://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/3886/12/48/14/25sH5hmtVcrI/
Halftime:
Rudy has 2 pts(0/1FG, 2/2 FT), 3 rb, 1 block in 5:44 mins of play
Rudy starts the last quarter and grabs the first rebound. Diaw in for Gobert.
End of game.
Gobert with 2pts(0/1 FG, 2/2 FT), 4rbs, 1 bl in 10 minutes of play.
 
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fishonjazz said:
They are not just winning though.
They are dominating, shooting good percentage, low turnovers, etc etc.

And this team isn't nearly as talented as teams from past years. Hayward almost made the team.
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Still doesn't mean they are playing "good".

They barely have any offensive scheme if you watch the games.
 
Doublea said:
Still doesn't mean they are playing "good".

They barely have any offensive scheme if you watch the games.
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Doublea said:
Even though the US is winning, doesn't mean they are playing good basketball. They obviously have more talent that most of these other countries at every position.
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This post is a real treat. So winning/dominating games by 30+ points isn't good basketball? That's like saying you'd rather have a Memphis Team that plays GREAT team ball over a Thunder team that plays iso ball, but is the far superior team

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BTP said:
Why don't u use the Spurs as a comparison? Cause it would weaken your statement?
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Because individually, every player on the spurs was better than their thunder counderpart, minus Durant, and having westbrook/parker be a wash. Sure, if the talent is equal, then I take a team oriented offense. But that's not the case here... so I'm okay with iso ball wininng by 40 a night
 
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Also don't forget that the spurs core have been playing together forever.

These guys on team usa are very young and have not been playing together very long...... it's probably hard to teach them all a new system and get them to have the chemistry and knowledge to master it
 
fishonjazz said:
Also don't forget that the spurs core have been playing together forever.

These guys on team usa are very young and have not been playing together very long...... it's probably hard to teach them all a new system and get them to have the chemistry and knowledge to master it
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Very good point.
 
Why is BIG-AL not nominated for the WC ??? He should play for an european country and kill TEAM-USA in the finals, for this dishonorable treatment. Big-AL Jefferson is the best Center in The NBA right now...
 
l Abach l said:
This post is a real treat. So winning/dominating games by 30+ points isn't good basketball? That's like saying you'd rather have a Memphis Team that plays GREAT team ball over a Thunder team that plays iso ball, but is the far superior team

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See I guess it just depends on how you look at it. Let's say we have two players. Player A has been playing basketball for years and has been able to get fundamentals down very good, but he isn't that athletically gifted. Now Player B has just started playing basketball, but he is much better off athletically. He's able to get to the rim with ease and finish, plus every so often hit out side shots. Now if Player A and Player B play each other Player A is not going to be able to defend Player B. It might be a close game, but Player B will probably win in the end.

I'm saying that the other teams USA has faced looked better, with their offense, their passing, and defense. USA just has too many threats and athleticism that it hides their flaws pretty well when they end up winning by 40. This doesn't mean they have to play good basketball to win, they simply over power the other team.
 
Doublea said:
See I guess it just depends on how you look at it. Let's say we have two players. Player A has been playing basketball for years and has been able to get fundamentals down very good, but he isn't that athletically gifted. Now Player B has just started playing basketball, but he is much better off athletically. He's able to get to the rim with ease and finish, plus every so often hit out side shots. Now if Player A and Player B play each other Player A is not going to be able to defend Player B. It might be a close game, but Player B will probably win in the end.

I'm saying that the other teams USA has faced looked better, with their offense, their passing, and defense. USA just has too many threats and athleticism that it hides their flaws pretty well when they end up winning by 40. This doesn't mean they have to play good basketball to win, they simply over power the other team.
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I understand what you're saying, and I think coach K also sees that, which is why G-time didn't make the cut. He's a role player who is fundamentally sound (other than his extremely inconsistant jumper), but will never be that athletic freak who gets to the rim at will. International players seem to develop similar skillsets to Gordon's.. So that's why team usa chooses iso athletic freaks! Btw - I still don't understand why you're upset with the play if we're dominating?
 
l Abach l said:
I understand what you're saying, and I think coach K also sees that, which is why G-time didn't make the cut. He's a role player who is fundamentally sound (other than his extremely inconsistant jumper), but will never be that athletic freak who gets to the rim at will. International players seem to develop similar skillsets to Gordon's.. So that's why we choose iso athletic freaks! Btw - I still don't understand why you're upset with the play if we're dominating?
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I'm not sure either.. haha. Makes sense.
 
Forget about Hayward. Keeping Rudy Gay and Mason Plumlee and cutting Millsap should be punishable by death and Coach K can eat a dick.

Reports are that Coach K invited Christian Laettner to replace Drummond but Laettner declined.
 
Rudy vs Dante is in about 1 hour time, if anybody wants to follow:
https://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/3886/12/48/15/81LMv1U8GlBCk/
Updates:
Both start on the bench...
Rudy and Dante in with 2:44 to go in the first. Almost steals it from Diaw in the first defensive possession.
Block from Rudy in first defensive possession. And on more block in the second possession.
Good drive by Exum with nice pass inside. Jawai misses.
One more blocks by Rudy. LOL! He's a monster vs Australia's second unit.
Dante makes the left-handed(!) layup in transition.
Q2: Both Rudy and Dante start.
Rudy with an assist inside for and-1 Pietrus.
Dante plays off the ball again while Dellavedova chucks TO after TO :(
Another block for Rudy. LOL!
Dante drives to the basket, but is fouled before the attempted layup.
Nice ball movement from France leads to a two handed dunk by Gobert.
Both Dante and Rudy are out with 5:20 to go in the second.
Dante in with 1:40 to go in the second.
End of first half. Statlines:
Dante - 2pts, 1/1 FG in 8 mins of play.
Rudy - 2 pts, 1/1 FG, 3rbs, 4bl, 1 ast in 7 mins of play (official statline doesn't seem right, they say he only had 2 blocks when I counted 4 at least and he had an assist they didn't count too)
Q3: Both Rudy and Dante are on the bench.
Diaw is killing Australia
Dante in with 5 mins to go in the 3d.
Dante Dunks 2 handed in transition.
Diot beats Dante twice in a roll off the dribble... hm...
Q4: Dante starts, but is subbed after 1:30.
Rudy in with 7 to go. Catches a rebound.
Rudy gives up and-1.
Dante in.
Rudy swats a layup attempt by Exum.
Rebound by Rudy.
Hustle play by Exum, tries to save the ball but passes it to a teammate who is out of bounds himself.
Exum scores a layup in traffic.
Rudy with yet another block! Exum misses a 3.
End of the game.

France cruises to 73-50 win. They couldn't miss.
Dante finishes with 6pts(3/5FG, 0/1 3Pt), 1 rebound,1 TO in about 20 minutes of play.
Rudy finishes with 2pt(1/2 FG), 7 rebounds, 6 blocks, 1 assist in about 15 minutes of play.
Motum - 4pts(0/2 FG, 0/1 3pt, 4/4 FT), 3rb, 1 assist, 1st, 2TO in about 11 minutes of play.
 
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The box score says that Rudy only has 1 block. That box score has been wrong since the first game I watched and it doesn't seem like anyone cares.
 
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