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Jazz vs Clippers: Round 2

Stifle Tower said:
Sixth man is usually more important than the 5th starter. That's why the league has an award. Manu is just one great 6th man. There have been many others. For example, Corey Maggette was an amazing scorer off the bench.
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yes, and back in early days, there was no such thing as 6th man. starters clocked 40+ min and bench were there to give starters 2-3 min break. i think we are building spurs like team where starters don't play 36+ min. i like that especially for a young team like this where we can go deep, very deep. i have no idea if snyder will abuse starters minutes, but i think he won't.

only thing i liked about corbin was limiting players min. i know i'm minority on this. i know some of you hated corbin's retarded 36 min limit, but in a long run that's what keeps you fresh in the playoffs. yeah, corbin really needed to save his ***, and not worry about the future, but oh well. i'm glad he kept our players fresh.
 
Fabtrey said:
i get that, but in NBA, 6th man plays a critical role.
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Stifle Tower said:
Sixth man is usually more important than the 5th starter. That's why the league has an award.
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I dont think anyone disagrees with this...... the question was do players prefer to start or come off the bench? and are thier preferences based on what the fans think?

As for question #2, i dont think the fans thoughts have much effect on the players desires to start..... I just think players want to start regardless of fans. (I could be wrong)

as for question #1, i think the answer is obviously and overwhelmingly that players prefer starting to coming off the bench (with a few exceptions obviously)

Im pretty sure if a coach tells an established starter that he is coming of the bench now then that player would be at least mildly disappointed and many players would be mad.

Conversely if a coach tells a bench player that they will now be a starter i think the player would be at least a little excited and happy and usually very happy and excited about.

If favors was told that he would be the backup and gobert would be the starter then favors would probably look at the situation negatively and gobert would probably look at it positively.

Im pretty certain that if coach Blatt told lebron, kyrie, or love that they would be coming off the bench as a sixth man that they would not be stoked about it.
 
Fabtrey said:
i know i'm minority on this.
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Good that you can admit that. I know that when I was in my early 20s, I could work a 12 hour day, turn around and party like hell; then do it again next day. Granted, that's the not the same as playing an 82+ game schedule. But if I could that without being in the best shape, then I don't think an extra four minutes a game is going to matter to some of the most finely honed athletes to ever grace this planet. The human body has a wicked resilience that let's it do marvelous things.

Corbin was never savvy in limiting player minutes. He's was a f*:mad:*ing idiot.
 
Fabtrey said:
i get that, but in NBA, 6th man plays a critical role. and IMO, manu and unselfish spurs kinda took this whole 6th man to a next level. and some players are better to play with twos and play 25-30 min instead of 35-40 min. Manu is great example. manu is so much better when he is fresh.
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fgcamel said:
Apparently Gobert was a boxer before he was a ball player, so i would love for someone to try and get physical with him
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In the first half i noticed deandre jordan trying to push and slap at gobert (not in the flow of the game btw, he was trying to bully gobert) but gobert would not back down and gave it back to jordan just as much.

Love goberts attitude
 
Also, while there are very important 6th men in the league (ginobli, crawford, jason terry, harden a few years ago) there are alot of successful teams who i cant even think of who thier 6th man is.
Who was the heats 6th man when they won titles? Who is golden state 6th man (barnes lol)? Portlands? The thunder? Memphis grizzlies? The Bulls?
Honestly i cant name very many 6th men that are all that good. Maybe most teams just start thier best players.
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont think anyone disagrees with this...... the question was do players prefer to start or come off the bench? and are thier preferences based on what the fans think?

As for question #2, i dont think the fans thoughts have much effect on the players desires to start..... I just think players want to start regardless of fans. (I could be wrong)

as for question #1, i think the answer is obviously and overwhelmingly that players prefer starting to coming off the bench (with a few exceptions obviously)

Im pretty sure if a coach tells an established starter that he is coming of the bench now then that player would be at least mildly disappointed and many players would be mad.

Conversely if a coach tells a bench player that they will now be a starter i think the player would be at least a little excited and happy and usually very happy and excited about.

If favors was told that he would be the backup and gobert would be the starter then favors would probably look at the situation negatively and gobert would probably look at it positively.

Im pretty certain that if coach Blatt told lebron, kyrie, or love that they would be coming off the bench as a sixth man that they would not be stoked about it.
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I think it depends if the team is a contender or not. Burks won't like losing and coming off the bench as a sixth man. The only sixth men that get talked about or make Allstar games are those that play on contenders


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fishonjazz said:
Also, while there are very important 6th men in the league (ginobli, crawford, jason terry, harden a few years ago) there are alot of successful teams who i cant even think of who thier 6th man is.
Who was the heats 6th man when they won titles? Who is golden state 6th man (barnes lol)? Portlands? The thunder? Memphis grizzlies? The Bulls?
Honestly i cant name very many 6th men that are all that good. Maybe most teams just start thier best players.
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I agree with this. If Burks isn't starting I'll be pissed. I like Burks, and want him to be happy on this team. I don't want a rookie starting over him. That could be demoralizing to Burks. If this team was expected to win 50+ games, I'd be fine with it.


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Thee jazz fan said:
I think it depends if the team is a contender or not. Burks won't like losing and coming off the bench as a sixth man. The only sixth men that get talked about or make Allstar games are those that play on contenders


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I agree for the most part..... but like i said a few posts earlier, alot of contenders dont have great 6th men. I also think that if ginobli was a starter then the spurs would still be favorites for the championship and would still have a few titles if he has started his whole career.
I think the clippers would still be a lock for the playoffs and considered contenders if crawford was a starter too.

Most of the time it is best to start your best players at each position i think.... with a few exceptions.
 
Fwiw this im not argueing about whether burks is better as a starter or a 6th man or whatever... My points have nothing to do with burks really.

Im more just talking about 6th men in general and how i think (could be wrong...... im not looking at every teams roster or anything) that there are not alot of really great 6th men and most teams just keep it simple and start thier best players. Basically having one of the best players on your team, like ginobli or harden, come off the bench is rare and its the exception not the rule.
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree for the most part..... but like i said a few posts earlier, alot of contenders dont have great 6th men. I also think that if ginobli was a starter then the spurs would still be favorites for the championship and would still have a few titles if he has started his whole career.
I think the clippers would still be a lock for the playoffs and considered contenders if crawford was a starter too.

Most of the time it is best to start your best players at each position i think.... with a few exceptions.
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The reason most contenders don't employ a great 6th man is they don't have a guy on there roster that came into the league in that role. A guy like Wade wasn't going to ever go into that role when LBJ got there a few years ago. Who do the W's have that would make a good 6th man.


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fishonjazz said:
In the first half i noticed deandre jordan trying to push and slap at gobert (not in the flow of the game btw, he was trying to bully gobert) but gobert would not back down and gave it back to jordan just as much.

Love goberts attitude
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Jordan whined to the refs about calls/non-calls multiple times. One was when he tussled with Gobert and arm-shoved him; Gobert used his arm to shove Jordan off and when Jordan again tried to push off on Gobert there was a foul called on Jordan.

The Clippers are whiny wuss-bags. I can't wait until we play The Spurs to see how the Jazz respond. At least our first six games of the season are against better teams so it's going to be fun to watch how the Jazz play.
 
Most teams don't have a good enough team or contenders simply don't have the personnel to employ a six man that is dynamic enough like a Ginobili.


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Thee jazz fan said:
Most teams don't have a good enough team or contenders simply don't have the personnel to employ a six man that is dynamic enough like a Ginobili.


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Most teams simply start thier best players.
Ginobli might be the ONLY player in the nba who is considered one of the top 3 players on his team and comes off the bench.

Ginoblis situation is extremely rare.

Lillard would make a great 6th man and would probably win the 6th man of the year award every year. Portland could have made him a 6th man when he came into the league and kept him in that position and he would have flourished. The reason they didn't? Hee is thier best player at his position. If the blazers had cp3 or steph curry then maybe lillard would be 6th man cause he would no longer be the best player at his position on his team
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Who do the W's have that would make a good 6th man.


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Curry.

He would dominate 2nd units and win the 6th man award every year
 
In order for Lillard to thrive in that spot is for him to have been brought into the league as a off the bench player. Lillard would become a locker room distraction if Portland all of a sudden decided to bench him.


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Thee jazz fan said:
In order for Lillard to thrive in that spot is for him to have been brought into the league as a off the bench player. Lillard would become a locker room distraction if Portland all of a sudden decided to bench him.


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Who gets brought into the league as an off the bench player?
Most nba players were stars and starters on thier college teams
 
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