Wow. You're lame.
Jefferson or Millsap for 5th pick and Garcia?
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Wow. You're lame.
pickledXgrandma
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Give me the beat boys and free my soul, I wanna get lost in your rock and roll and drift away....
This is truth. All hail the half-tard. And there are more of them then you might think. Paxson, Kahn, Petrie....etc.
Gyp Rosetti
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margo/catchall,
Am I missing something? Why would we trade our best player and a likely lotto pick next year for the #5, who as badly as I want it, is still a huge unknown?
Am I missing something? Why would we trade our best player and a likely lotto pick next year for the #5, who as badly as I want it, is still a huge unknown?
billyshelby
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Isn't Millsap/GS pick for the 5 effectively a trade for Barnes? I wouldn't do that myself. I supposed I'd do it for the MKG kid, but I know nothing about him other than what I've read.
Problem with the 5 pick is it doesn't address needs. No PG worth taking there, the best prospects are Burks clones, and the big men are reaches there. The 5 pick just doesn't look like a great fit for us.
Problem with the 5 pick is it doesn't address needs. No PG worth taking there, the best prospects are Burks clones, and the big men are reaches there. The 5 pick just doesn't look like a great fit for us.
Because Millsap is in a contract year, probably doesn't want to come off our bench, and may not sign an extension to come off our bench thereafter. Meanwhile a #5 pick when the the second tier of draft talent extends to #6 is a surer thing than a likely 10 - 14 pick next year. So we'd be cashing in the Sap while his value is high, thereby freeing more court time for our young bigs, and getting back a player like Beal, MKG, Barnes or Lillard, two of which will almost assuredly be available.
Probably the first four picks this year (in some order) are: Davis, Robinson, MKG, and Beal. This leaves Barnes and Lillard, and the Jazz could go after either player. Lillard should really go at #6 or #7, so taking him at #5 isn't really a big reach. Or, the Jazz could take Barnes for GSW, let Portland take Drummond (if we're sure they will), and let GSW take Lillard for us....and maybe they give us one of their 2nd rounders.
Sometimes you have to pay a premium to get a player you really want. It depends on whether the Jazz think Barnes or Lillard are special enough. Personally, I think Lillard would have a much bigger impact for the Jazz simply because he'll have the ball in his hands. I wouldn't trade Millsap just to get a spot-up shooter, when there are free agents who can play that role. However, a top-10 PG is harder to acquire.
margodydek
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There's arguments on both sides, but here's how I feel:
Millsap (if he stays with the team after next year) is coming off the bench. If he's willing to accept that, and agree to a reasonable contract extension then, I'd say keep him. If he's put on the open market and given a "toxic" offer again, I don't think we'd match it given Favors is our future PF. In that case I'd rather have cashed in on him while we could. I'm higher than most on Barnes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if MKG falls to 5 as well. Either one of those would be a gamble, but like I said, I'd take that gamble and know I'd be getting at least 4-5 years out of one of those guys as opposed to possibly losing Millsap in FA and getting nothing.
It's not black and white, but that's how I feel.
IF Lillard is the PG of the future he's worth Sap and GST's pick .. but I'm not THAT sold.
BluesRocker
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I think Drummond is going to slip. Possibly past 10. He's a piece of ****!
BluesRocker
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I think I would take Jeremy Lamb or Royce White with the pick.
Royce White is a bigger Rondo
Royce White is a bigger Rondo
Good comments all around. Barnes is being compared to Glen Rice. If he's really that solid a shooter, then that's interesting, but he hasn't really proven that yet. Lillard is drawing comparisons to Jay Williams (pre devastating injury, of course). I'm sure the Jazz have scouted these players adequately and can make a decision. There are a number of teams that would love to trade up and take one of these two players though. So the price of Millsap & the GSW pick probably isn't going to be seen as paying too much by most teams.
The Jazz need to bring in a young PG sometime soon to start having him develop. There's a huge gap on the roster, and the PG position was the one where we were getting killed on most nights.
All this said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Kings draft Drummond and ask him to block shots.
The Jazz need to bring in a young PG sometime soon to start having him develop. There's a huge gap on the roster, and the PG position was the one where we were getting killed on most nights.
All this said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Kings draft Drummond and ask him to block shots.
I don't think Detroit could pass on him if he slipped to #9. I think Toronto would be tempted at #8, and I think GSW would likely take him at #7.
Jeremy Lamb is a more interesting prospect to me than Barnes. He can probably shoot as well and has more dimensions to his game at both ends of the floor.
Your baiting worked.
Baiting me, I guess.
billyshelby
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Never seen Lillard play. But I don't like 4 year seniors drafted in the lottery. (Yes, Tim Duncan.) You draft 4 year seniors after 10 unless there's a really, really compelling reason.