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Gar Forman and John Paxson made clear that nobody on the Chicago Bulls' roster will be untouchable this offseason.

"We have to explore all options. With that said, Jimmy has had a fantastic year," said Paxson.

Paxson also admitted Butler and Derrick Rose didn't mesh together on a consistent basis.

Butler had an All-Star season and questioned how hard Fred Hoiberg was coaching the Bulls, comments that stuck with both parties the rest of the season.
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Ehh? What might it take?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Ehh? What might it take?
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Depends on if they go full rebuild or retool and try to compete now. I think they need to see if Noah comes back first.
 
We have to wait till KD signs to save cap space but then I think all are draft picks are enough. Bulls have to blow it up. They might even throw in Noah if we do not protect draft picks.

Gobert Favors Noah
KD favors Noah Lyles
Hayward Hood Butler
Butler Burks Hood
Exum Mack Neto Burks

My god I am so excited for next season. I would go so far as claiming we would not lose a game!
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Depends on if they go full rebuild or retool and try to compete now. I think they need to see if Noah comes back first.
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Noah's lack of shooting and age are two huge variables against him being a key piece on any team at this point. The transformations that have crowned GSW have also rendered Noah an article of the past. He's a role player at this point.
 
NAOS said:
Noah's lack of shooting and age are two huge variables against him being a key piece on any team at this point. The transformations that have crowned GSW have also rendered Noah an article of the past. He's a role player at this point.
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I agree somewhat although his passing and playmaking would work alongside the right front court spacers.

I think that dictates whether they view this offseason as a rebuild or retool. If it is just a retool then they keep butler. If it is rebuild then they move butler for young guys and picks.
 
NAOS said:
Favors + some other stuff (pick? helping Chi with a contract?)
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Sounds good but then I think we would be really deep at the wing and thin at the bigs.

Maybe we could add Burks or something and get portis or something.
 
NAOS said:
Favors + some other stuff (pick? helping Chi with a contract?)
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Of the top 3 (Hayward, Favors, and Gobert), I am most inclined to trade Favors. I've been singing this tune for months now. He's a good two way player, but he's way too inconsistent, doesn't help our spacing troubles, and often has lingering injuries. If we can land Butler for Favors, then we should do it, no doubt.

Exum/Mack
Hayward/Hood/Burks
Butler/Hood/Burks
Lyles/pick or vet
Gobert/Withey or pick or vet

Get 'er done.
 
I always liked Butler...I'm thinking the Bulls will want Hayward + another player + pick(s) though...
 
If I am the Bulls I am keeping Butler over Rose. Rose has one year left on deal so very tradeable. I could see Rose being dealt to Kings.
 
I think they'd want Hayward... I think they's want at least Hood.

Not sure if Favs and Burks gets it done. I wonder if Favs and Hood would though. Then maybe move Burks for a bench big, or sign a good one... there are a few out there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they'd want Hayward... I think they's want at least Hood.

Not sure if Favs and Burks gets it done. I wonder if Favs and Hood would though. Then maybe move Burks for a bench big, or sign a good one... there are a few out there.
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That bench big better be pretty good .
Really though, good post. And I like that plan if the return for burks is pretty good. (I'm think a taj gibson level talent. Maybe a brandon bass level but with Burks youth and good contract I would want more than bass level
 
Siro said:
I am most inclined to trade Favors. I've been singing this tune for months now. He's a good two way player, but he's way too inconsistent,
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I've read you say this and have thought the opposite. Favors seems like our most consistent player. I ran comparisons against LeBron James, as he seemed a good standard bearer. Standard deviation for points is LBJ - 5.976741708, Favors - 6.187259669. Rebounds LBJ - 3.080043685, Favors - 3.41078171.


I have no clue how to measure consistency, but standard deviation in ppg and rpg seems good enough to me. By those measures, Favors is just a little less consistent than LBJ. LBJ gets many plays called for him. Favors gets few.
 
franklin said:
Does anyone want me to calculate their church ball consistencies next?
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I consistently jack up ill advised threes and don't get back on defense.... Said every church baller ever
 
franklin said:
I've read you say this and have thought the opposite. Favors seems like our most consistent player. I ran comparisons against LeBron James, as he seemed a good standard bearer. Standard deviation for points is LBJ - 5.976741708, Favors - 6.187259669. Rebounds LBJ - 3.080043685, Favors - 3.41078171.


I have no clue how to measure consistency, but standard deviation in ppg and rpg seems good enough to me. By those measures, Favors is just a little less consistent than LBJ. LBJ gets many plays called for him. Favors gets few.
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But LBJ PPG is way higher than Favors'. 6.2 STD for 16 PPG is huge. Obviously, the higher your point average, the higher your standard deviation will be. Doing a quick Google search, it appears that for players getting starter minutes, an STD of 4 would put you around the 50th percentile. Favors' -6 would put him closer to the edge of the normal distribution. And this isn't taking into account the strange lower back injury that he always seems to suffer from, and that might prove more of a determent in the future.
 
Siro said:
But LBJ PPG is way higher than Favors'. 6.2 STD for 16 PPG is huge. Obviously, the higher your point average, the higher your standard deviation will be. Doing a quick Google search, it appears that for players getting starter minutes, an STD of 4 would put you around the 50th percentile. Favors' -6 would put him closer to the edge of the normal distribution. And this isn't taking into account the strange lower back injury that he always seems to suffer from, and that might prove more of a determent in the future.
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Like I said, I have no clue how to tell on this one but he seems more consistent to me than everyone else. He seemed to be the only guy I thought we could count on on any given night.

I just ran Hayward's numbers and he is 6.022821183 and 2.41062103. That guy seems very inconsistent to me but those numbers don't say so. I think a better way may be to count how many games they are below their standard deviation. Hayward had 12 @ 13 points or less plus two DNP's. Favors had only 6 @ 10 points or less and 20 DNP's. However, he also had 13 within 2 points of his n-1 where Hayward only had 4. That's about the same % of games within 2/3 of the low end of n-1 not counting DNP's.
 
fishonjazz said:
I consistently jack up ill advised threes and don't get back on defense.... Said every church baller ever
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Here's another: I don't know how to set a simple flex screen for a "big", or run one either. And what is pick and roll again?


Srs for anyone who plays church ball, convince them to run a simple flex screen in the lane for anyone who can make a layup 7-10 times per game. Your team will be unbeatable.
 
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