Kanter and Nike Hoop Summit History
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i think this is what we have to go on in total - (as compared to "we cant evaluate Kanter on just one game" which I think is Borat's point)
* Kanter is on NBA radar, like Rubio, early on
* Kanter is a U17/U18 Euro MVP
* Kanter is recruited to go to Kentucky (Add Calipari's comments here...)
* Kanter is the Hoops Summit 34pt guy (record holder)
* Kanter practices some at Kentucky - PKM says Harellson says "Kanter is better than Cousins" (and all others he played against)
* Kanter practices at Kentucky - PKM says "held his own against Nazi " - NBA caliber (unless Nazi is too old to count now)
* Finally, NBA professionals are rumored to have Kanter going Top 4 in this years Draft (See Colton data version 13.0)
Do we have any other "evidence" that "proves" why he is in consideration for Top 4 pick in 2011 NBA draft?
This "evidence" doesn't prove that he'll be worthy of the pick, it just is what we have to go on. It is more than "one game."
But it is also reasonable that each of these points have a question mark around them. (...there are U18 MVPs who couldn't make NBA... etc.)
Also the definition of BUST is that of "not meeting expectations" Thee Jazz Fan has pointed out that only 4 players from the list in Borat's OP provide were EXPECTED to be something at the NBA level. The others weren't busts because they were not expected to be NBA players.
* Kanter is on NBA radar, like Rubio, early on
* Kanter is a U17/U18 Euro MVP
* Kanter is recruited to go to Kentucky (Add Calipari's comments here...)
* Kanter is the Hoops Summit 34pt guy (record holder)
* Kanter practices some at Kentucky - PKM says Harellson says "Kanter is better than Cousins" (and all others he played against)
* Kanter practices at Kentucky - PKM says "held his own against Nazi " - NBA caliber (unless Nazi is too old to count now)
* Finally, NBA professionals are rumored to have Kanter going Top 4 in this years Draft (See Colton data version 13.0)
Do we have any other "evidence" that "proves" why he is in consideration for Top 4 pick in 2011 NBA draft?
This "evidence" doesn't prove that he'll be worthy of the pick, it just is what we have to go on. It is more than "one game."
But it is also reasonable that each of these points have a question mark around them. (...there are U18 MVPs who couldn't make NBA... etc.)
Also the definition of BUST is that of "not meeting expectations" Thee Jazz Fan has pointed out that only 4 players from the list in Borat's OP provide were EXPECTED to be something at the NBA level. The others weren't busts because they were not expected to be NBA players.
Gyp Rosetti
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Very good post Harcher.
gregbroncs
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I agree very good post by him.
Beantown
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Unless Irving or Williams falls to the Jazz every player will be a risk at 3. I would much rather gamble on a 7 footer than gamble on a point guard.
I just have a feeling the Jazz will be kicking themselves if they pass on Kanter for Knight.
When in doubt always draft big, big men win you rings.
I just have a feeling the Jazz will be kicking themselves if they pass on Kanter for Knight.
When in doubt always draft big, big men win you rings.
What are you talking about?
Not by much. U18 Euro MVP is nearly useless, and so is his pick-up games PKM saw and Harellson statement. It's all big bunch of nothing. The only thing that has some value is the Hoops Summit, but as I showed, this alone does not mean much. There are no records against meaningful competition - and the fact he missed nearly entire year in practice and whole year playing competitively.
I didn't address this comment, because I thought the answer was obvious, but let me spell it out for you. You have to look at entire list, not just 4 guys. If Kanter played anywhere, maybe he wouldn't be on the 1st round radar either, like many other guys who did well. But Kanter did not play for any senior team in Europe nor NCAA, so we just don't know. So, you have to look at entire list, not at 4 guys who were projected in the first round after they actually accomplished something. And out of this list, I see only 1 franchise player: Dirk.
May I ask why you chose point cut-off value of 15? Why not 10? That would prove you right even more. I'm struggling to understand since when 15pts game makes it outstanding for a player.
I wouldn't think you'd be that dense, you should keep trying.
Why do you have to look at the entire list? And as a previous poster said, why did you pick 15 pts? Why not 20 pts? Why not 25 pts? Without explaining why 15 pts is the magic number, it is nonsensical for you to say you have to look at the entire list.
Also, please post the comparable list for U.S. players. I'm sincerely wondering how many of the 15 pt scorers of them are stars vs busts. And for that matter, how many of the 30 pt scorers are stars vs busts.
If you have a point to make, feel free to make one any time. So far you have not succeeded in that department.
15 points is no magic number, I just used it as a logical indicator that someone did "well" in the game. As far as US players, I can provide these stats too later on, but felt world's team would be more relevant. Kanter would not even make the US team based on his HS record.
gregbroncs
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So you picked the # and the side that benefited your argument. An irrelevant # that you came up with off the top of your head. Why not go with 30 Pts? Because it did not fit your argument. Why not go with 15 pts and a 1st round pick? because it did not fit your argument.
The point is you came up with a worthless stat that means nothing and now your defending it like it's the only argument. Convienient since it's the only argument you have.
I have not succeeded because you are too dumb, then, apparently.
My point is, the international team isn't the only team playing. You isolate his team (and points scored in a completely arbitrary fashion) to make a point that is absurd. Why don't you show a list of the GAME-high scores over the years, from BOTH teams? That's rhetorical, I know why, and that's why it's terrible 'analysis'.
Unfortunately your blind love for Kanter does not allow you to see the historical perspective of the only noteworthy accomplishment Kanter has. And no, I don't count PKM's statement that he did well in a pick game he saw as a serious accomplishment, nor his junior success against pathetic competition. The whole importance of Nike game was that he went against best selected US HS prospects, many of whom historically end up as good NBA players and put up good numbers against them. So, without any bias at all, I wanted to look at all games and see how the guys who have done well against these prospects turned out. So, 15 is no magic number. It's just a basic indicator of whether the guy has done well or not against top HS prospects. We can use any other indicator, but I think you agree if someone could put up 15+, he did well against these top guys. And when I compiled the list of these guys, the fact they have done well in this game mostly didn't translate into so much as 3d stringer in NBA. So, the conclusion is that doing well in this game alone, even though against good competition, is extremely poor indicator of NBA success.
Now, once again to address your point about first round picks projections, all these guys played against Euro or NCAA competition before they were projected in or out of first round. It is because of their other accomplishments at a more senior level that they were ruled out or in of the first round. Kanter doesn't have any of these accomplishment. They only noteworthy thing is this game. That's why you can't say "and a first round projection", you gotta look at all. And I am not trying to make complete statistical analysis here, but I would think people want to know the fact that nearly everyone else who has done well in that game against top HS competition never was good enough to even make it to NBA. This fact is very relevant, when the only meaningful thing you have to look at is this game, don't you agree?
No, you have not succeeded because your never had any meaningful or coherent point to begin with. At least attempt to start exhibiting enough intellectual capabilities to understand the conclusions that are to be made from the data I provided.
This is true, but completely irrelevant. International team is the only one that is playing against good competition. That's the whole point here. This game is the only one where Kanter played against potentially decent competition. The whole idea behind the numbers here is that doing well against potentially decent competition in one game doesn't mean you will go far. NEARLY EVERYONE from that group who had good games against top HS talent didn't qualify to be NBA 3d stringers, even though they did better than many of their counterparts, who later became great NBA players.
Why don't you start thinking a little for a change? How is the fact that good performance against top HS talent not translating anywhere near NBA success absurd? You are just being ridiculous here and ignore a valuable finding. This is not statistical analysis to determine probability of Kanter's success in NBA. But this is a strong indication that doing well against decent competition comprised of top HS talent in that game means nothing at all. It does not even mean you are likely to make NBA roster. Given this is the only meaningful accomplishment Kanter has, I have concerns about risk/reward proposition of him at #3. Really, you don't need to be that thick, it is a basic point that you fail to grasp.
This reminds me of last year, when I was pointing out to you that Haywards accomplishments were significant (leading his team from unranked to ranker as a freshman and to #2 rank as a sophomore while putting up good numbers), and you kept dismissing them, using similar lingo. Now we have similar story, except I am pointing out to you lack of accomplishments, and it looks like your absorptive capacity needs a lot of improvement.
So humble too. I guess I'll go on being ridiculous while you do clearly slanted research to support this axe you have to grind against some kid from Turkey.
I'm not sure how I feel about Kanter, but anything you have to say I put in the same box as underKANTER and Turkish Delight.
Yes, just like my "love" for Hayward last year, right? Your statement is ludicrous, especially in light of the fact I was right last year about Hayward, and and you missed the mark big time. You are even less intelligent than I thought.
And I didn't care about Hayward, and I could care less about Kanter or any other prospect. I want the best talent for the Jazz, and I see Kanter is too big a risk. I went through the trouble of gathering data to show the only accomplishment he has not often translated to NBA success. So, huge risk for #3 pick is there. I have nothing against (or for) Kanter, but I see a huge risk here, given the fact many others who did well in that game against top US talent, failed to make 3d string in NBA, and Kanter has nothing else of note to show for him. Too bad you are intellectually incapable of understanding it.