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LoPo said:
You're a whiny little kid who adores his little MJ. So cute. Players are all up for debate but MJ. But I choose to be objective and put him in his rightful place in top 5.

He was good but not GOAT. There is no GOAT. Sorry if that bunches up your panties

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Pretty sure we (at least this LoPo's accounts personality) and I are about the same age. Thanks for calling me cute, I dont hear that enough.

Carry on lying to yourself that you are objective. You clearly dont like him. Keep the hate alive, its a classy look.

It doesnt bother me if you dont think he is the GOAT but your wrong by most every measurable standard and there is no reputable professional in the sports world that agrees with you.
 
LoPo said:
Not the point. The goat would do better than .500 in 5 seasons.

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You are right Jordan in his first few years in the League was not the GOAT. That is one of the things that made him the GOAT is he worked hard to improve his natural ability. Most competitive driven player around. He got much better as time went on. He is the GOAT because of what he did in his prime... I guess next you want to bring up stats when he was on Washington to prove he wasnt that good.
 
How am I wrong? What imperical evidence do you have that he's the goat? Why are you so offended that someone would suggest that he's not?

I'm calling MJ a top 5 player all time. That's a compliment. I personally don't think there is a goat in any sport. Wilt redefined the game. Russell won 11. Kareem was fantastic in every facet. LBJ is doing amazing things.

It's not an insult to call a guy top 5 all time. It's not an insult to say the guy was amazing. I have the right to opinions like any other. I'm not insulting you for thinking he is the goat. So stop insulting me.


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LoPo said:
How am I wrong? What imperical evidence do you have that he's the goat? Why are you so offended that someone would suggest that he's not?

I'm calling MJ a top 5 player all time. That's a compliment. I personally don't think there is a goat in any sport. Wilt redefined the game. Russell won 11. Kareem was fantastic in every facet. LBJ is doing amazing things.

It's not an insult to call a guy top 5 all time. It's not an insult to say the guy was amazing. I have the right to opinions like any other. I'm not insulting you for thinking he is the goat. So stop insulting me.


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Jordan definitely GOAT. If he hadn't retired early he might have 8 championships. He willed his team to victory over and over. He always delivered. I followed his career closely from the time he was young and saw him play live in four finals games including the game 6 with "the shot". I could not keep my eyes off him and even on the bench he exuded confidence and a determination to win. If you were on Jordan's team you knew that losing was not even a remote possibility. That is why he is the GOAT.
 
LoPo said:
How am I wrong? What imperical evidence do you have that he's the goat? Why are you so offended that someone would suggest that he's not?

I'm calling MJ a top 5 player all time. That's a compliment. I personally don't think there is a goat in any sport. Wilt redefined the game. Russell won 11. Kareem was fantastic in every facet. LBJ is doing amazing things.

It's not an insult to call a guy top 5 all time. It's not an insult to say the guy was amazing. I have the right to opinions like any other. I'm not insulting you for thinking he is the goat. So stop insulting me.


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There is lots of empirical evidence but the main one is that in his prime years he willed his team to win 6 straight championship in which he was the most dominant player in the NBA during a time that is arguable the greatest talent era of the NBA. Once he made it to the finals after working so hard to get better he never lost a playoff series again. How many players once they made it to the finals never lost a playoff series again and won 6 in a row as the best player in the league?

Also I am not seeing insults to you that bad and you are dishing out insults just as much. If you are going to post an opinion that is in stark contrast the vast majority of NBA fans, players, coaches and media members than you probably need thicker skin then getting offended by people not liking your opinion and asking people to "stop insulting me" shows that.
 
People get caught up in things like championships and legacy and whatever. Fans and players. The reality is much more complicated than this. Charles Barkley has 0 rings. Hakeem Olajuwon has 2. By most standards, Hakeem was a better player. They are the same age and they played in the same era. Who's better known to fans today? Look at the numbers below?

https://www.google.ca/trends/explore#q="charles barkley", "hakeem olajuwon"&cmpt=q&tz=Etc/GMT+6

Who cares about rings? What matters is whether you're in the public eye or not.
 
Broncster said:
There is lots of empirical evidence but the main one is that in his prime years he willed his team to win 6 straight championship in which he was the most dominant player in the NBA during a time that is arguable the greatest talent era of the NBA. Once he made it to the finals after working so hard to get better he never lost a playoff series again. How many players once they made it to the finals never lost a playoff series again and won 6 in a row as the best player in the league?

Also I am not seeing insults to you that bad and you are dishing out insults just as much. If you are going to post an opinion that is in stark contrast the vast majority of NBA fans, players, coaches and media members than you probably need thicker skin then getting offended by people not liking your opinion and asking people to "stop insulting me" shows that.
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I responded kid from your kid comment. Others are calling me an idiot.

MJ has one record. He scored more per game than any other player ever. He also played in the highest ppg era so scoring 37 per in an era where they scored 110 is not as staggering as 31 in an era where they scored 100. MJ was awesome but no imperical evidence of overwhelming dominance without help.

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And lol "willed" his teams to championships. His team was favored in all 6 finals. His team. Team

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LoPo said:
And lol "willed" his teams to championships. His team was favored in all 6 finals. His team. Team

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And favorites always win... And he wasnt the favorite his first year.
 
LoPo said:
When MJ left the Bulls the first time, the Bulls lost one more game that next season. One game. They guy was amazing but not some untouchable.

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Wow.
I didn't know that. Good info
 
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Broncster said:
And favorites always win... And he wasnt the favorite his first year.
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His team wasnt great. And yet the greatest player of all time could only go 30-52.

The proof is there. He never had a winning season without a top 50 of all time player at his side. That's not a knock. Just the truth.

One other fun fact. Phil called Pippen the best defender he's ever seen. He would put Pippen on the other team's best player in the 4th. You know how many Defensive Player of the Year Awards Pippen won? 0. MJ won one. And he wasn't even the best defender on his own team according to the best coach of all time. Perspective on the MJ idol worship...

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LoPo said:
His team wasnt great. And yet the greatest player of all time could only go 30-52.

The proof is there. He never had a winning season without a top 50 of all time player at his side. That's not a knock. Just the truth.

One other fun fact. Phil called Pippen the best defender he's ever seen. He would put Pippen on the other team's best player in the 4th. You know how many Defensive Player of the Year Awards Pippen won? 0. MJ won one. And he wasn't even the best defender on his own team according to the best coach of all time. Perspective on the MJ idol worship...

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Its also the truth that if you take the first 3 years away those stats are wrong, by a lot. Of course he wasnt as good early in his career as later. The reason he was favored in his chips was that he was the most dominate player in the league by a lot and no one including his opponents doubted he would win. Your only argument against him is that his rookie year, sophomore injured year and 3rd year where he was .500 and had arguable the greatest playoff game ever against a really good team the Celts that year. That playoffs is when Jordan became dominate and set out to win and never lost in the playoffs again, no other player can say that. Of course Pippen was a good player and others on his team. Every championship team ever has had multiple good players.
 
Broncster said:
Its also the truth that if you take the first 3 years away those stats are wrong, by a lot. Of course he wasnt as good early in his career as later. The reason he was favored in his chips was that he was the most dominate player in the league by a lot and no one including his opponents doubted he would win. Your only argument against him is that his rookie year, sophomore injured year and 3rd year where he was .500 and had arguable the greatest playoff game ever against a really good team the Celts that year. That playoffs is when Jordan became dominate and set out to win and never lost in the playoffs again, no other player can say that. Of course Pippen was a good player and others on his team. Every championship team ever has had multiple good players.
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He was great. Top 5. Incredible player. Just not goat. And there is nothing wrong with that.

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LoPo said:
He was great. Top 5. Incredible player. Just not goat. And there is nothing wrong with that.

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Okay. Tell us who you think the greatest of all time is? Seriously want to know. Cause Jordan dominated during what some would call the greatest era of all time. So who do you have as GOAT? Chances are they didn't play against an era like Jordan played against.


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LoPo said:
He was great. Top 5. Incredible player. Just not goat. And there is nothing wrong with that.

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Wow You would maybe put 4 other players above Jordan?
I might put Chamberlain but hard to put any one else right now
 
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