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KD to GSW... I hate those guys

So, Jordan would never have left the Bulls in the 80's to join the Celtics or Pistons because he couldn't beat them in the playoffs.

Maybe if jordans teams were not good enough to beat the Celtics or pistons he would have left Chicago. No one knows.
 
Doesn't Vegas set the lines though, not on what they think will be the end result, but on how they think people will bet?
You are exactly right. Ncolorado jazz is really dumb though so don't expect him to understand this concept.
 
The fact that they didnt have max contracts made it very hard if not impossible for superstars to team up.
Showtime Lakers? Magic, kareem, worthy?

Celtics? Mchale, bird, parish?

Bad boy pistons?

Bulls? Jordan, pippen, rodman, kukoc, grant, kerr?

Drexler and hakeem teamed up iirc.
 
I understand the point your making, and it is a valid point, but I'm just saying, I don't think Jordan would have ever left the Bulls to go to the team that just set the record for most wins in a season, and just beat him in a 7 game playoff series. I don't think for 1 second he'd have done that had he had the chance. Jordan wanted to beat the best, not join them. That's one of the reasons he was the best.
Agreed
 
I dont agree with the premise that KD could just ride the pine all year long and collect a ring. GS is surely a favorite to win it withoit Durant, but not a guarantee.
You say that GS is surely a favorite to win it without durant.
That means that you agree with the premise that durant could ride pine all year and collect a ring.
It wouldn't be a guarantee, but a definite possibility. "Could" in other words.
 
Maybe if jordans teams were not good enough to beat the Celtics or poisons he would have left Chicago. No one knows.

That's a good point, but I think the Thunder had all the tools to beat the Warriors. They came so close this last season. At times, they looked like the better team in that 7 game series. Even after losing, I thought they were better but Klay Thompson in game 6. Wow. That was legendary.

In a series that was as competitive and heart breaking as this one, I feel confident in saying MJ would have come back the next year on a mission to beat them. That is the thing that Blows my mind. Durant's team was really good and I think one could argue they should have beat the Dubs. But he's leaving to play with the greatest regular season team of all time who just beat his team in a 7 game series. This kind of thing seems like a new precedent. Has a superstar ever left a team as good as Durant's Thunder, who were as close to a title as Durant's Thunder for the team that he just lost too in a 7 game series. Seems wildly unprecedented.
 
That's a good point, but I think the Thunder had all the tools to beat the Warriors. They came so close this last season. At times, they looked like the better team in that 7 game series. Even after losing, I thought they were better but Klay Thompson in game 6. Wow. That was legendary.

In a series that was as competitive and heart breaking as this one, I feel confident in saying MJ would have come back the next year on a mission to beat them. That is the thing that Blows my mind. Durant's team was really good and I think one could argue they should have beat the Dubs. But he's leaving to play with the greatest regular season team of all time who just beat his team in a 7 game series. This kind of thing seems like a new precedent. Has a superstar ever left a team as good as Durant's Thunder, who were as close to a title as Durant's Thunder for the team that he just lost too in a 7 game series. Seems wildly unprecedented.
I agree about Jordan. I don't think he would have done what durant is doing either. He was ultra competitive.
 
Well in 2012 when Howard + Nash(CP3) teamed up with Kobe and Gasol in LA. That didn't work because of health. And right now I feel like this could be the biggest uncertainty.
 
I agree about Jordan. I don't think he would have done what durant is doing either. He was ultra competitive.

Many of the players genuinely hated each other too... Jordan wouldn't play in the Olympics if Isiah Thomas was on the team... You think he's joining up with that guy.

We all know the guy at pick up hoops that tries to play with the 4 best players in the gym instead of making the teams fair and having a competitive game. KD just became that guy... Nobody like that guy.
 
Showtime Lakers? Magic, kareem, worthy?

Celtics? Mchale, bird, parish?

Bad boy pistons?

Bulls? Jordan, pippen, rodman, kukoc, grant, kerr?

Drexler and hakeem teamed up iirc.

Except for Drexler and Hakeem, not one of these teams is a case of superstars teaming up. And the third best player on that Rockets team was, who? Rookie Robert Horry? Clyde and Hakeem were both in their 30s, too.

The 86/87 Lakers, possibly the greatest team in history, drafted 3 out of 5 members of their starting lineup. They traded for Kareem, but that was 11 years earlier. Scott was essentially selected for the Lakers by the Clippers and traded before he ever played an NBA game. First two guys off the bench, Rambis and Cooper, were drafted in the 3rd round.

Robert Parish and the pick used to select McHale were traded to the Celtics by the Warriors. Parish had averaged 25 minutes a game for the Warriors and put up 14 and 9 over his 4 years there. McHale put up exactly 10 points a game in his rookie season.

The Bad Boy Pistons drafted Thomas, Dumars, and Rodman. They got the rest of their players in trades, and not one of them was anything resembling a star beforehand except Mark Aguirre. And they gave up our very own legend AD for him.

The Bulls drafted 3 of those players and swapped rookies on draft day to get Pippen. They got Kerr for free, after Orlando simply let him go. He averaged 2.6 PPG that year, so you can kind of see why Orlando would do it. And you and I should both be old enough to remember how old Rodman was in 1995 and how low his stock was.

Not one of these cases is anything like what just happened. If David Robinson had joined the Jazz back in 1996, that would've been something like this, maybe. But that just didn't happen back then.
 
Many of the players genuinely hated each other too... Jordan wouldn't play in the Olympics if Isiah Thomas was on the team... You think he's joining up with that guy.

We all know the guy at pick up hoops that tries to play with the 4 best players in the gym instead of making the teams fair and having a competitive game. KD just became that guy... Nobody like that guy.

This is the generation we live in with Social media and cell phones. Heck in the 1980s they couldn't log in to talk to each other or send a text message to them. Maybe you catch them on the phone when at home, but that's why they hated each other. The kids today are soft and its the generation they live in.
 
Nailed it about the Bulls drafted those players and traded for Pip right after draft.


Except for Drexler and Hakeem, not one of these teams is a case of superstars teaming up. And the third best player on that Rockets team was, who? Rookie Robert Horry? Clyde and Hakeem were both in their 30s, too.

The 86/87 Lakers, possibly the greatest team in history, drafted 3 out of 5 members of their starting lineup. They traded for Kareem, but that was 11 years earlier. Scott was essentially selected for the Lakers by the Clippers and traded before he ever played an NBA game. First two guys off the bench, Rambis and Cooper, were drafted in the 3rd round.

Robert Parish and the pick used to select McHale were traded to the Celtics by the Warriors. Parish had averaged 25 minutes a game for the Warriors and put up 14 and 9 over his 4 years there. McHale put up exactly 10 points a game in his rookie season.

The Bad Boy Pistons drafted Thomas, Dumars, and Rodman. They got the rest of their players in trades, and not one of them was anything resembling a star beforehand except Mark Aguirre. And they gave up our very own legend AD for him.

The Bulls drafted 3 of those players and swapped rookies on draft day to get Pippen. They got Kerr for free, after Orlando simply let him go. He averaged 2.6 PPG that year, so you can kind of see why Orlando would do it. And you and I should both be old enough to remember how old Rodman was in 1995 and how low his stock was.

Not one of these cases is anything like what just happened. If David Robinson had joined the Jazz back in 1996, that would've been something like this, maybe. But that just didn't happen back then.
 
Why the Jordan idol worship in this thread? In all 5 NBA seasons without Pip and Phil, MJ had 5 losing seasons. The Bulls drafted a star for next to MJ. And had All Star Grant. The 2nd 3peat teams were some of the best ever assembled. Kukoc would only come to US to play for the Bulls. Those teams were superstacked.

Stop the MJ idol worship. The guy was good but was a loser (literally) without Pippen.

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Why the Jordan idol worship in this thread? In all 5 NBA seasons without Pip and Phil, MJ had 5 losing seasons. The Bulls drafted a star for next to MJ. And had All Star Grant. The 2nd 3peat teams were some of the best ever assembled. Kukoc would only come to US to play for the Bulls. Those teams were superstacked.

Stop the MJ idol worship. The guy was good but was a loser (literally) without Pippen.

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MJ was amazing but don't buy all the hype shoved down your throat throughout the years from Nike, Gatorade, and so many other companies. It's all about money and MJ made a ton for so many. They preserve his legacy which isn't as great as they want you to think.

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Why the Jordan idol worship in this thread? In all 5 NBA seasons without Pip and Phil, MJ had 5 losing seasons. The Bulls drafted a star for next to MJ. And had All Star Grant. The 2nd 3peat teams were some of the best ever assembled. Kukoc would only come to US to play for the Bulls. Those teams were superstacked.

Stop the MJ idol worship. The guy was good but was a loser (literally) without Pippen.

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Yes because Pippen was a star in college I forgot and a sure thing when he came into the league, They grew together.. Also talk about cherry picking by you... MJ is the best ever hands down and has thenumber 1 sneaker stil lto this day. So that shows you how well respected the guy is... You are a loser for even trying to say he was a loser before Pippen and Jackson.. When Jordan went to play baseball did Pippen and Jakson win 2 titles without Jordan?
 
Calling MJ a loser without Pippen should ban you from any sports talk... Even people who dotn follow basketball know how clutch Jordan was.. You are barred from talking to me about hoops, YOu are clearly the biggest idiot on this site and that says a whole bunch
 
Yes because Pippen was a star in college I forgot and a sure thing when he came into the league, They grew together.. Also talk about cherry picking by you... MJ is the best ever hands down and has thenumber 1 sneaker stil lto this day. So that shows you how well respected the guy is... You are a loser for even trying to say he was a loser before Pippen and Jackson.. When Jordan went to play baseball did Pippen and Jakson win 2 titles without Jordan?
Look it up. Every single season without Pippen was a losing season for Jordan. I'm not posting lies.

When MJ left the Bulls the first time, the Bulls lost one more game that next season. One game. They guy was amazing but not some untouchable.

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