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Legalize marijuana?

babe said:
In the sixties I did a science report on Marijuana, addressing the issues of its effects on the user and society. I dunno, but I think a good study on the cognitive effects on long-term/heavy usage oughtta make some people think twice. . . . . uhhhhmmmmmm. . . . . . well, potheads can't do that I know.

I put "Legalizing Pot" in the same fermentation jar with "Legalizing Faith Healing Shams".

voters? bet they will vote differently after seeing what it does to their communities. . . . .


Which leads me to my actual point. . . . .

Government in the hands of the people is subject to all the stupidity people are subject to, both individually and collectively, but government in the hands of a brahmin class of any sort is the antithesis of human rights and liberties. Particularly if that "brahmin" class is of the fascist brand, whether calling themselves "progressives", "socialists", or "scientists".

I don't think we need to indulge in the fantasies of believing "government" is qualified to regulate humans except to prevent one person or group from regulating another, and to protect the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

you morons who want the government to codify laws enabling "legalization" of marijuana just don't get it. It's not the government's business to regulate, or legalize, what it should never have the power to pass laws about. If people don't like marijuana's effects on society, they should get a soapbox on the town square and explain their reasons to interested folks, and take whatever personal precautions they like in dealing with potheads on the highways.

That's why I think the future of this discussion should be tort law. Potshops should be held just as liable as tobacco sellers or purveyors of other harmful substances. Even chocolate has some effects. . . . creates delusions of love. . . and causes marriages which often prove seriously harmful. Flower shops are culpable too.

So in my world, people selling pot should be sued for selling pot to drivers as a collective mass action lawsuit. As soon as we get them out in the open, legally, we can hold them financially responsible.

The flip side of liberty is responsibility.
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Perfect example of someone who understands nothing of this topic, or this discussion. Pot is bad. ****ing brilliant.
 
Also, even though babe is stuck in 1950, ya know, where pot doesn't exist since it's not legal, I would like to address some valid points, however stumbled upon in a state of ignorance.
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Pot can be bad for you. It can be especially bad for you if you smoke too much. However, anyone who thinks every pot user is a pot head, is speaking out of their ***, just as if anyone who drinks a glass of wine or a couple beers is a drunk.
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Without getting into my history too much, I smoked pot excessively as a teenager, so I know first hand what kind of negative effects can come from that. 20+ years later, legalization comes along and I decide to give it a shot as a sleep aid, as I've suffered from insomnia my entire life. Up until then, I have been on ambien for several years, as well as other benzos at times to help with sleep. I already posted an article about how medical pot has affected OD deaths by pain killers, and let me assure anyone that is as confused as babe, pot is the lesser of two evils when it comes to things like benzos and opiates, among many other pills made in a laboratory.
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In a perfect world, babe would be right. In this world, babe is an close-minded fool. This is the exact type of thinking responsible for medical laws that force people to try opiates as pain killers, before they can get a med card. It really is quite ****ing ridiculous.
 
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freakazoid said:
Also, even though babe is stuck in 1950, ya know, where pot doesn't exist since it's not legal, I would like to address some valid points, however stumbled upon in a state of ignorance.
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Pot can be bad for you. It can be especially bad for you if you smoke too much. However, anyone who thinks every pot user is a pot head, is speaking out of their ***, just as if anyone who drinks a glass of wine or a couple beers is a drunk.
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Without getting into my history too much, I smoked pot excessively as a teenager, so I know first hand what kind of negative effects can come from that. 20+ years later, legalization comes along and I decide to give it a shot as a sleep aid, as I've suffered from insomnia my entire life. Up until then, I have been on ambien for several years, as well as other benzos at times to help with sleep. I already posted an article about how legalization has affected OD deaths by pain killers, and let me assure anyone that is as confused as babe, pot is the lesser of two evils when it comes to things like benzos and opiates, among many other pills made in a laboratory.
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In a perfect world, babe would be right. In this world, babe is an close-minded fool.
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But but but, he wrote a high school science report on MJ in the 60s...and he got an A!
 
freakazoid said:
Also, even though babe is stuck in 1950, ya know, where pot doesn't exist since it's not legal, I would like to address some valid points, however stumbled upon in a state of ignorance.
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Pot can be bad for you. It can be especially bad for you if you smoke too much. However, anyone who thinks every pot user is a pot head, is speaking out of their ***, just as if anyone who drinks a glass of wine or a couple beers is a drunk.
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Without getting into my history too much, I smoked pot excessively as a teenager, so I know first hand what kind of negative effects can come from that. 20+ years later, legalization comes along and I decide to give it a shot as a sleep aid, as I've suffered from insomnia my entire life. Up until then, I have been on ambien for several years, as well as other benzos at times to help with sleep. I already posted an article about how legalization has affected OD deaths by pain killers, and let me assure anyone that is as confused as babe, pot is the lesser of two evils when it comes to things like benzos and opiates, among many other pills made in a laboratory.
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In a perfect world, babe would be right. In this world, babe is an close-minded fool. This is the exact type of thinking responsible for medical laws that force people to try opiates as pain killers, before they can get a med card. It really is quite ****ing ridiculous.
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Don't forget that smoking pot is not the only way to consume it too.
Vaporizing is healthier, more efficient (makes your weed last alot longer), and tastes better too.
Plus edibles are healthier as well.
 
Hantlers said:
You lived in Missoula? Never knew that. I hate that place.
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What did you hate about it? It's not pretty and it's too damn cold, but not a bad place otherwise. Just the same, I couldn't be happier with were I'm living now. I grew up in SLC, and even though I still love it and consider it my true home, I'm really digging the northwest.
 
fishonjazz said:
Don't forget that smoking pot is not the only way to consume it too.
Vaporizing is healthier, more efficient (makes your weed last alot longer), and tastes better too.
Plus edibles are healthier as well.
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No doubt, but for the sake of argument, let's just all agree that overindulgence in pot, regardless of method of consumption, can be detrimental to your health. Legalization is a much more complicated issue than whether or not pot is/can be bad for you. Lots of things are bad for us, but I believe Americans are sick of the babes of the world and their idealistic solutions to real problems. It's time for realistic solutions to real world problems, and if our law makers can't figure it out, we'll continue to vote their asses out and get someone in who understands the way things are working, rather than trying to force down our throats the way things should work if this world wasn't flawed.
 
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freakazoid said:
I was hoping you'd contribute here, because I've been curious about the differences in Co. Your laws seem a lot more rational, rather than making them solely for the purpose of collecting taxes. Oregon's laws are better, at least they will allow a few plants to be grown. That alone would be enough for me to just move across the river into Portland, but Washington has no income tax, so I'm hoping they will remove their heads from their asses and amend the law.
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Was it just as cheap when it was first legalized, or has it dropped?
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It was a more expensive at first, but more places opened up thus supply increased and the price dropped. Location plays a role as well...shops located in west Denver are more expensive since Lakewood and and the JeffCo part of Littleton doesn't allow them, while shops on Broadway where the shops are numerous have lower prices.
 
fishonjazz said:
You realize that while it has been illegal tons of people are already using marijuana right?

Also, don't you think people being arrested, losing thier jobs, going to court, paying fines, etc hurts the community?
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So I guess the only folks still huffing on this stale fume are the dopeheads who can't follow logic anymore. Or understand English.

Exhibit A in my soapbox oration of what happens to people who use weed, if they weren't dopes they will become dopes. People who can sort out complicated relationships in issues would have got my point that we don't need to legitimize government to make people do "right". The effects of pot are pretty evident to people who aren't dopeheads. Except for the whole rebellion subculture glory of sneaking a puff or making some green on the trade, Marijuana would be just another weed.
 
GVC said:
I'm as active now as I've been in a long time, although I'm quite a bit chubbier than I'd like to be. Play basketball once or twice per week, frequently walk 45 minutes to and from the office. Diet is a work in progress, but that's the norm for me. My peak mental/emotional period was when I lived alone in the country and commuted to school. City living just isn't for me.

Not sure how that's relevant. The benefits of a good diet and regular exercise are pretty well recognized. I'm not sure either does a great job of shifting your perception of the world.
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I was just curious. I have my own opinions on the impacts of proper diet and lifestyle.

Personally, I think the schism that people establish between the mind and the body is a complete farce, and social fabrication. Your mental chemistry is tethered to your body's biochemsitry, which is tethered to the environment with which you subject your body to.

City life is kinda ****ty in lots of ways. Would bet my left nut there's millions like you everywhere.
 
babe said:
So I guess the only folks still huffing on this stale fume are the dopeheads who can't follow logic anymore. Or understand English.
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Should we address your absurd statement that those who sell goods should be held 100% responsible for how those goods are used?
 
heyhey said:
You can't smoke in virtually any public places. The only people to ever be found to have an increased risk of lung cancer are spouses of smokers that smoked inside their home for 30 years or more. The "public" is not at risk because they are not exposed to any where near the levels of second hand smoke that would increase their chances of getting cancer.

The dude smoking by the butt can like 50 feet from the door of your work isn't killing you. The worst part of the blame all cancers on smokers mentality is that people(including researchers) are ignoring other risk factors. If someone like you gets cancer it's probably going to be due to radon gas, pcb exposure, or some other environmental contaminate that you overlooked because you were still worried about the thing that was already remedied.

If I get cancer it will most likely be because of tobacco.
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The biggest problem with this post is the assumption that cigarettes are only responsible for causing cancer, in terms of chronic health impacts.
 
dalamon said:
Personally, I think the schism that people establish between the mind and the body is a complete farce, and social fabrication. Your mental chemistry is tethered to your body's biochemsitry, which is tethered to the environment with which you subject your body to.
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And?

I don't disagree with any of that. A salad isn't going to have a profound effect on your sensory perception, however. It's not going to catalyze re-evaluation of your values or relationships either.
 
GVC said:
And?

I don't disagree with any of that. A salad isn't going to have a profound effect on your sensory perception, however. It's not going to catalyze re-evaluation of your values or relationships either.
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A salad alone? No.

A dietary change? Yes. In my opinion, at least.


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