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Lets face it our front office is the worst in the NBA

pbash said:
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Um, no they are not. ESPN has the Jazz ranked as the 7th most successful franchise in history. A ton of success has come with KOC and Jerry Sloan.

Really, you think we are worse than the Clippers? Really? I mean, really?

You're joking, right?

They are doing pretty good for being in a city where very few people want to come play and it is tough to get great FA to come here.
 
Not the worst, but top 5 for sure.

The only reason KOC has appeared to have any success with the Jazz is because he made one great move in trading for Deron Williams and has been fortunate enough to have a hall-of-fame juggernaut coaching the team. Without Jerry Sloan, KOC would look embarrassingly bad as a GM.

--Has screwed up every first round draft pick he's had since taking over except for Williams (kinda hard to screw up the 3rd pick when you have Deron Williams and Chris Paul on the board) and Brewer.
--Decided it was a good idea to pair two of the worst defending big men in the league together in the front court and pay them gajillions of dollars to let guys half their size score at will in the post.
--John Amaechi
--Made the masterstroke of bringing back Greg Ostertag
--Thought Carlos Arroyo was a starting quality PG in the NBA
--Thought Raul Lopez was better than Tony Parker (maybe he was before the injuries, but prolly not)
--Thought Kris Humphries was better than Al Jefferson
--John Amaechi
--Let Mo Williams walk for nothing
--Drafted two psychopaths in a 5 year span (Kirk Snyder and Deshawn Stevenson)
--Extended Okur
--John Amaechi


What has he done right?

--Drafted Deron Williams
--Drafted Ronnie Brewer (no longer on the team for financial reasons)
hmmm...... oh yea
--Traded for Kyle Korver
--Drafted Paul Millsap
--Eventually gave up on John Amaechi

And that's about all I can think of. I'm sure there's much more on both sides, but that's all I could think of off the top of my head. All in all, it's been a pretty depressing era since KOC took over. He's had a few small successes and one big one (Deron), but for the most part it's been a flood of one incompetent decision after the other.
 
The Ghost of Blue Edwards said:
Not the worst, but top 5 for sure.

The only reason KOC has appeared to have any success with the Jazz is because he made one great move in trading for Deron Williams and has been fortunate enough to have a hall-of-fame juggernaut coaching the team. Without Jerry Sloan, KOC would look embarrassingly bad as a GM.

--Has screwed up every first round draft pick he's had since taking over except for Williams (kinda hard to screw up the 3rd pick when you have Deron Williams and Chris Paul on the board) and Brewer.
--Decided it was a good idea to pair two of the worst defending big men in the league together in the front court and pay them gajillions of dollars to let guys half their size score at will in the post.
--John Amaechi
--Made the masterstroke of bringing back Greg Ostertag
--Thought Carlos Arroyo was a starting quality PG in the NBA
--Thought Raul Lopez was better than Tony Parker (maybe he was before the injuries, but prolly not)
--Thought Kris Humphries was better than Al Jefferson
--John Amaechi
--Let Mo Williams walk for nothing
--Drafted two psychopaths in a 5 year span (Kirk Snyder and Deshawn Stevenson)
--Extended Okur
--John Amaechi


What has he done right?

--Drafted Deron Williams
--Drafted Ronnie Brewer (no longer on the team for financial reasons)
hmmm...... oh yea
--Traded for Kyle Korver
--Drafted Paul Millsap
--Eventually gave up on John Amaechi

And that's about all I can think of. I'm sure there's much more on both sides, but that's all I could think of off the top of my head. All in all, it's been a pretty depressing era since KOC took over. He's had a few small successes and one big one (Deron), but for the most part it's been a flood of one incompetent decision after the other.
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please name the 25 who you think are better.
 
This thread is absolutely ridiculous and stupid.

Some idiots on this board think because they have the benefit of hind-sight that they are much better at being back-seat GMs than O'Connor is at being this team's GM. I'm not saying KOC is one of the best GMs out there, but he is not as bad as all the we're-doomed-naysayers make him out to be. At all.

People get so emotional and forget that basketball is a business. From a business point of view, the trading of Maynor and Harp's contract for the amount of money that came off the books was a great move, and (in my opinion, of course) didn't make us much worse, if worse at all. Same with the Brewer dump; was Brewer a decent player? If you ignore that fact that he couldn't spread the defense at all, sure, he was a decent wing. But I don't think his loss made our team any worse, either. It isn't like he left a hole in his absence; if anything, it freed up more room for our wings who can actually shoot the ball to play.

For Gods sake, we won 53 games last year and everyone decries these moves as boneheaded. The people on this board who are too emotional and don't understand as much as they let on, anyway.

And anyone who says our front office is the worst in the league has absolutely no idea about other front offices out there. What a joke. Let's see our team endure the same cycle-of-failure as many other teams have and see what you have to say looking back at our current front office. Ha.

The last thing, people seem to forget that this is Utah. We are one of the smallest market teams out there. For all that our team has accomplished, I am proud to be a Jazz fan. Do I want a title? Absolutely. But our team isn't exactly in the position to go out and make blockbuster trades and pick up superstar free agents. Stop kidding yourself.

And if this is about Hayward, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. Flop or no flop, he isn't going to make or break our front office, as many on this board are fooling themselves into believing.
 
So according to that list there are only 5 teams that have played more than 2 seasons that have a better winning percentage than the Jazz all time. Hmmmmm. Horrible managment must be the cause of this.

And Darkwing there are only what 8 teams that have won a chip that are playing on that list. That still puts 22 teams right with the Jazz that haven't won one.
 
The Jazz are a great franchise with great fans and have always gotten the maximum out of their players thanks to Jerry Sloan, the coaching staff and the tremendous fan support at ESA.

But, the Jazz front office is clueless when it comes to evaluating college/high school players and projecting them to the NBA level.

The double whammy of Kris Humphries and Kirk Snyder over Al Jefferson and Josh Smith in 2004 is just one example.

Raul Lopez (24) in 2001 over Gerald Wallace (25), Samuel Dalembert (26), Tony Parker (28) and Gilbert Arenas (31).

Aleksandar Pavlovic (19) in 2003 over Boris Diaw (21), Travis Outlaw (23), Kendrick Perkins (27), Leandro Barbosa (28) and Josh Howard (29).
 
Unless you have one heck of a crystal ball, none of us really know how this draft was for a few more years, now do we...
As a regular season team, the Jazz have one of the most remarkable records for consistancy in all of pro sports. This means we almost never get a chance to draft any of the top-rated talent. The middle and bottom of the 1st round are generally used to pick guys who MAY develop into elite players, but have some warts. I'll grant you we haven't hit the jackpot with those picks. In the 2nd round is where KoC has done remarkably well finding solid role players, and I have to give Sloan credit for developing these guys too.
 
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