Darkwing Duck
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Signing bonuses don't affect the cap. It would be a 5.76 M cap hit. Same as a MLE without a bonus.
Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)
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Signing bonuses don't affect the cap. It would be a 5.76 M cap hit. Same as a MLE without a bonus.
calijazz
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This kind of situation reminds me a lot of Marquis Daniels. He had a big rookie year that was parlayed into a big contract, similar to what Wes is getting. I don't think Daniels hasn't been as productive since and certainly didn't prove to be worth that contract. I wanted Wes to stay, but he's gone (or at least he should be). Have fun rotting on the bench in Portland.
BENTLEY
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You're right. Portland doesn't need Wes playing behind Roy. But the way the Jazz played it, a guy like Paul Allen, with his deep pockets, had the funds to make it really hard for the Jazz.
It's how you play poker - and the Jazz suck at it. Just like with Millsap Jazz showed their hand: "we love this player and we're definitely going to match any offer." So of course someone else at the table - who has a bigger stack than you - can afford to stick it to you and make you either lose the hand or make you overpay for it. For all their "no comment"s the Jazz FO suck at hiding their hand. They sit on their hands and slowly bleed their stack away until they start to tilt, and lose even more money overpaying for a hand (Memo, AK).
What would be sweet is if the Jazz were not really in love with Matthews at all - but played it up that they were in order to get someone like Portland to try to stick it to them, and then the Jazz sit back and let Portland keep the overpaid player. FOOLED YOU!!! That's how you're supposed to play. But the FO is clueless.
How to play this now? Memo to Jazz: KNOW WHEN TO FOLD 'EM!!!
gomretat
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I was certainly wishing for something around 3 or 4 mil a year. However, this is basically CJ Miles and Harpring type money. And I don't see a difference in going into the tax for Wes than I do for Sap. Granted wings should come cheaper. I also think the fact that Sloan spoke highly of Evans and his basketball IQ means they may keep two rookies this year who both play the wing. Evans will come cheap. I won't be surprised if they let him walk but I won't be surprised if they hang on to him either.
Captain Keefe
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Hollinger just reported that the actual deal is worth 32.7. Still too much to match, but a little less than reported.
LifeOnaPlate
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I don't think they'll match the offer, and I really wanted Matthews to stay. This is the worst off-season in quite a few years for Utah, imo. I'm pretty bummed.
I agree completely. Utah can't recover from terrible offseason's as quickly as other teams. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the offseason plays out...
gomretat
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If only it were that simple. If it is, they really are dumb.
memo is money
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A couple of points that I disagree;
- Comparing Millsap's RFA to Wes'. Actually Siler summed this up:
"Millsap was automatic for Jazz to match because he's a big man, with 3 years in the league and was expected to succeed Boozer." https://twitter.com/tribjazz
- Can you prove me that Millsap does not deserve that contract? He could easily be considered a talented, promising and reliable, multidimensional bigmen, IMO. Do you agree? How many players among centers and power forwards at the same age, can you put the ahead of Millsap?
- Considering that nobody could predict an injury like one happened to Okur (and by the way, he expects to come back opening night) , and considering DArko's, Haywood's contracts ( both length and value wise) and the contracts of every NBA player that is called "bigmen", can you still think Okur is overpaid? (In case you want to compare, Matthews' contract starts with 9.2mil)
- From where, or which of KOCs or any team management member's comments did you get te impression that the Jazz will do anything to keep Matthews, i.e, they are in love with WEs? I, for one, do not think that Jazz FO will match that offer, at all. They are reported to find players who they can add by using the MLE, which Wes insisted on but KOC declined. I also do not want them to match that heavy contract.
David Stern
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That son of a bitch.
I am really in love with this guy and his story but Jazz FO have to understand they need to let him go in order to teach others that trying to screw Jazz might cost you. Because if they don't they will hurt themselves much harder in the long run as everyone would think they can get away with this game year by year
Daniels was a clown with poor work habits, loved partying and was injured prone. There are plenty of guys who continue to play well after getting a contract so what gives you a feeling that Wes will just tank it after getting his contract. There are zero signs he would do it.
Memo - declining ability, maxed out potential, will he be ready to play a full season. Certainly replaceable.
Millsap - undersize, is he a starter, certainly replaceable.
CJ - Finally started earning his money but we have had to wait four years. Were his numbers better than Wes. Certainly replaceable. Is he a starter?
Wow. Cant believe I just read 275 posts on this. I also love Wes and what he brought to the team. But there is no way I match that offer. He is in no way worth that kind of money. I can't believe the owners are throwing around this kind of money this year. They must really think they are going to get that none guarenteed contract clause that they want in next years CBA talks.
TheMulletMutilator
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Way too much. Let Portland get themselves in trouble with this kind of offer. Good luck Wes, glad you made your money at least.
BENTLEY
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I do agree. Millsap's contract was only bad the first year. Otherwise it's a steal. But like Wes, Millsap would have been a backup in Portland - so Portland had no reason to throw a toxic first year at him except the Jazz were so transparent in their love for Paul (Millsap). As has been said about Wes playing behind Roy, it made no sense for Portland to throw a big offer at Millsap playing behind Lemarcus. Portland's move with Millsap had more to do with playing the Jazz rather than playing the actual hand. I'm glad the Jazz matched on Millsap, but I don't think Portland would have offered Millsap that much - certainly not so heavy the first year - if they hadn't seen the Jazz gush their love of Millsap. So Jazz had to eat it that first year -- and that first year put the squeeze on Greg Miller and perhaps resulted in Jazz giving Maynor away for nothing.
In regards to Okur - I like Okur. It's not terrible - but the Jazz were bidding against themselves. That isn't the best example. AK's is a good example though (and I still like AK - just not at that price).
I don't remember - on sportsbeat or something. I shook my head when I heard it. I mean, for a guy who's says "no comment" more than any other GM, KOC really picks his spots to start blabbing -- only when he really really wants to resign a guy. I wonder if he's only thinking about being sure the player knows that the Jazz they really like him, and at the same time forgetting about other GM's / Owners out there like Portland that have proven themselves to be ******* sharks.
I hope they don't. I love Matthews, but not for that price. Bring back Brew.
LifeOnaPlate
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I say pay him the money.