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Millsap and Hayward to Cavs?

BENTLEY said:
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Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not going to try to change it, I guess I just wanted some consistency in your posts. I realize in a draft like this there's not really such a thing, but it just seemed like your opinions changed by the poster. I think Knight is going to be a very good player, somebody that we won't be able to find in the teens or twenties in another draft, but he's not a 3rd overall pick kind of a guy right now. However, in a draft like this, he's among the best of the rest because of what he's accomplished and what we've actually been able to see him doing. Kanter is the much better choice at 3, but we have to make room for him so he doesn't sit for the majority of another year. You're a good poster, I enjoy your posts, and it's nice to have someone to banter with here and there. It's nothing personal, I just wanted some consistency, which it looks like I have now. The only thing I REALLY disagree with (leaving Knight out of this for a second) is the idea that we draft a guy based on trade value rather than what he can contribute to the team. If our intention is to trade the player we draft with the 12, then why wouldn't we just move the 12 for a future pick (or picks) and let Team B pick who they want? This, rather than drafting a guy who is the definition of one-dimensional and has zero value to a team that is already full of bigs with impressive offensive repertoires and might be getting another one in Kanter. I know Motiejunas is just one of many examples you have, but if Knight were to slip to 12 (he won't), he will be the single most valuable player available to the Jazz because of his skill SET, not just his skill. I also REALLY dislike Motiejunas. Otherwise, I see where you're coming from, although I strongly disagree.
 
I'd do this for any players other than Hayward and Favors, even including next years first. I would imagine the 1-4 would be Kanter, Knight, because Cleveland gets Irving regardless (Minnesota ain't taking another PG). And I think KOC likes Knight more than Irving.
 
Can we close this thread now?

We're not trading Hayward and Millsap for any pick in this draft. Maybe if Lebron or Kobe or Dwight were in it. But not for prospects hoping to be the next Memos, Boozers, and Mark Prices.
 
The Thriller said:
Can we close this thread now?

We're not trading Hayward and Millsap for any pick in this draft. Maybe if Lebron or Kobe or Dwight were in it. But not for prospects hoping to be the next Memos, Boozers, and Mark Prices.
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This please.
 
dalamon said:
I personally think our defensive woes this season were more specifically caused by being burned on the perimeter. I remember at one point early on in the season the Jazz were the best 3point-defending team in the NBA percentage wise, and this quickly fell as the season progresssed. NUMBERICA I am wondering how Al Jefferson caused this said "implosion"?? He was averaging 17 and 8, only a few less than his overall season average. It is impossible to pinpoint what exactly caused our complete collapse; maybe it was faltering teammate chemistry, its hard to say. All i know is Al Jeffersons woes (poor rotational defense, poor passing from the box although it got a lot better towards the end of the year, lack of getting to the line) were consistent throughout the entire season, yet we only played terrible in half of it. On the other hand we saw starters like Bell and Kirilenko getting progressively worse impact-wise, and our bench could not support them. Hayward was not used much at this time, as we all know. Im definitely willing to give Al Jefferson a chance to se if he continues this progress. During the end of the season he played with utmost pride, and tried to correct many of his errors that hes accustomed to. (He started dunking A LOT more; i remember the first time i had seen him dunk was the time he feel on his "buttox". Months later hed have a dunk every game. His blocking went up. His rebounds got better and his scoring got MUCH better, as we all know. Most importantly, he played through injuries, playing all 82 games only 1 year and a half away from rupturing an ACL. Thats the kind of guy I'd want on my team; the fact that he tends to be on losing teams doesnt affect me that much, since I could tell how awful he felt when he started realizing that he wouldnt be making the playoffs with his team again. Winning is important to the guy, and im sure hell instill this pride among his future terammates that get drafted seeing as hell be the teamleader next season. I like him as a leader more than DWill. Im kinda all over the place with this rant, but basically what I want to conclude is to a potential future lineup:

Either
Harris/Knight/Watson
Hayward/Bell/CJ
Singleton/Millsap/CJ
Favors/Millsap/Al Jefferson
Al Jefferson/Favors/Fesenko

Or

Harris/Watson/sign FA
Hayward/Bell/CJ
Singleton/Kirilenko/CJ
Favors/Millsap
Al Jefferson/Kanter

Both of which we have logjams and mroe importantly great trading pieces in these logjams of talent (PF being the most notable) to try and garner wither a PG/SG or even a SF F.A.
Actually take a good look at those starting lineups; Harris is certainly a good enough PG for a nba finals calibre team (hes made it there as option number two already). We all know how good Hayward is becoming. Im just a Singleton fanboy, but I see his defense helping our team as a whole, seeing as he can defend apparently 3-4 positions and will become a vital teammate to practise against throughout the course of the season. Not too mention that his perimeter shooting is improving exponentially from season-to-season, something we desperately need. Not much needs to be said about how good Favors will be. And lastly we have Al Jefferson, a player who we can certainly pound the ball to when the other 4 teammates are slumping. Im DEFINITELY not suggesting we schedule our offense around him, all im sayign is that hes the type of player who can accumulate points no matter how well a team is playing, something that could be extrememly useful if our other 4 players who are all capable of acheiving 15ppg arent having a offesnively structured game. Lastly, and probably most importantly, we have easily one of the best 6th men of the league if Millsap is okay with playing as a super-sub. He could easily hit 20 points on any given night, and give our team much needed boosts when we need them. If we desire, we can hang on to veterans Kirilenko and Bell for experience and leadership while keeping their minutes low. Right now Im excited for the draft in late June, but I have a really good feeling that our team really doesnt need a rebuild. Add a few defenders, adjust our flex offense system (coach Corbins coaching is pretty much make or break here) and we seriously wont be a worse team than the one that went 27-13 last year. We are in an extremely good situation to become a very strong team in a very short period of time, with the amount of draft picks weve accumulated in a very short time span, coupled with young core teammates and a solid amount of defensive veteran players on our team (I seriously hate Bell but he could be well utilized if he doesnt play 34mpg). Our biggest problems last season? Defense, and Perimeter Shooting. Defensively, well have Hayward, hopefully Singleton and Favors, with Bell and Kirilenko coming off the bench and Al Jefferson being decent in terms of man-to-man and his blocking capability. Harris isnt that bad either. Perimeter shooting wise, our rookie averaged 47% from 3 Point Land. Seeing as hell most likely hit 30mpg this season, Hayward will spread the floor very very nicely. Okur's re-emergence coupled with Bells and Cjs lack of minutes will help this as well. Harris also hit a fairly high amount of threes in his time with the Jazz, perhaps our system benefits him more than New Jerseys. Either way, there is certainly an abundance of specialty shooters on the market and we have mroe than enough trading pieces to get a hold of one. This will be our only issue going into the season if there is no lockout this October.
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Nice post, this is exactly how I feel. I am praying Singleton's name is called with that 12th pick (unless Biyombo is there of course). A glaring need for this team is somebody who will be able to guard the stars of this league, especially Durant. I really think Singleton will be able to lock it down and be a great asset.
 
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