There is absolutely no way Cleveland does that.
Millsap and Hayward to Cavs?
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gregbroncs
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Millsap and 3 for 1 and 4 would work (for me anyway). Hell throw in any or all of CJ, Bell, and Memo as well.
Draft
Kanter, Knight, and Singleton.
Lineup:
Knight
Hayward
Singleton
Favors
Kanter
Young and talented though we would be a few years away from being real contender's.
Draft
Kanter, Knight, and Singleton.
Lineup:
Knight
Hayward
Singleton
Favors
Kanter
Young and talented though we would be a few years away from being real contender's.
BENTLEY
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Yeah, I'm obviously missing something on Knight. And I'm probably over-reacting to the adoration of Knight that remains foreign to me. Whatever - it makes more sense that I'm wrong about him. He is a nice kid and a hard worker. I dunno. Yeah, I'd be fine with him before Singleton I guess but not Motiejunas or Hamilton. I'm talking 12 here obviously. And we all know Knight isn't falling that far so it really doesn't matter what my opinion is.
I actually think that Cleveland would be getting a pretty good trade. They get a sure-thing in Paul Millsap to pair with J.J. Hickson at their SF/PF positions plus they Kanter to be their Center of the future and Knight to be their Point Guard of the future. Knight would eventually take over for Baron Davis. We would get our star Small Forward in Williams plus our defensive-minded reserve Center in Varejao. We could even sweeten the deal for the Cavs by throwing in the Golden State pick next year in exchange for one of their future first round picks.
So what you're saying is that you're looking at players trade value instead of his value on the team? That says it all. You honestly think Motiejunas has Bargnani talent? You think a Bargnani type player fits on this team at all? Even in this post you say that you think Knight will be a pretty good player, and then say you're uncertain of him. You say things like the former to make sure you aren't pissing anybody off, and then you say things like the latter to bolster your argument. Stick to your own opinions. Sure, things change, but you're letting yourself be way too influenced by stats and outside sources. WATCH these players play and then use the combination of impressions and combine performance to help mold your opinions. Saying that Motiejunas is worth the risk more than Knight is absolutely mind-blowing and completely idiotic. Motiejunas doesn't have defensive warts, he doesn't have defense at all. Also, drafting a point guard this year doesn't mean he's going to come in right away and be the man. We draft players so they can develop into their potential within a few season and grow from there on. So by your 2-3 years standards, a guy like Knight THIS year would be perfect so by the time Harris' contract runs out, we've got a guy ready to step in and take the reins, rather than drafting somebody that's going to come in and make rookie mistakes for a team that's contending for the playoffs.
I'm nowhere near certain on any of these players, because that's not possible, but I'm giving them their due credit, unlike yourself. You're using your bias to dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole, while also contradicting yourself every three or four posts. The thing is, I actually agree with some of your evaluations, but the only reason you're arguing that you'd take players like Singleton and Motiejunas over Knight is to make yourself look better for seriously underrating his potential. In the past week you have said that he can be a very good point guard, that you'd take him if we still had the six pick, that the reason you wouldn't take him is because Kanter is the obvious choice at 3 (I agree), while also saying that you'd probably take the likes of Vesely, Motiejunas, Singleton, Valenciunas, Brooks, Biyombo, and other one-dimensional or unkown players because he's a guy that you can get in any daft. He's not going to be the next Drose, Wall, or whoever else, but that doesn't mean he's **** as you're claiming (for now). There's a reason he's projected where he's at. You're flip-flopping your opinions not because of viable information coming in, but because you know you've backed yourself into a corner and are too stubborn to accept it. And that's honestly all I need to know.
Were you trying to make a joke about my sexuality? Lol funny
Dang man I hope not!
I just don't see them going for Millsap/3 for the 1 & 4 but I'd do that in a heartbeat Irving, Leonard, best big avble
Favors Flave
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I dont even remember neg repping you at all but whatever. And I've put several messages regarding why you want Al gone so bad. But you didn't answer the ?, why do you hate him so much? And I don't see a lot of people that want him gone so bad
theNBAnerd
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so, just to make sure... there are people here who think we would trade up to #1 and take kanter over irving AND williams?
1) I don't hate Jefferson. He's a good guy. I hate him as a player on the Jazz.
2) You have to have not been paying attention to not have seen any reasons by me or others to ditch the guy.
3) It's pretty simple; he's got a flickering 40-watt lightbulb upstairs and doesn't play a WINNING game.
Winning is FAR more than scoring points by yourself. He's a plainly sloppy passer, in addition to making poor reads, not recognizing double-teams, and not knowing what to do when they happen. His shot-selection is sometimes horrible and he's not a versatile scorer. He's bad on the pick-and-roll, the first few months were possibly worse than anyone I've ever seen (or at least that I've paid attention too). It took him 6.5 seasons to learn how to catch a ball while moving. He's not great at setting picks in general, but his understanding of the nuances of the plays that come from it is completely non-existent. HE'S SLOW, more mentally than anything else. He makes a decision on what he's going to do with the ball regardless of what the defense or offense is doing. He requires an acre down low to operate, thus obliterating the motion of the offense, in other words, it stops when he touches the ball. Even if the Jazz HAD the shooters to punish double-teams on the low-block, he has such bad court-awareness and fluidity that it wouldn't matter. He's not a bad shooter, but it isn't a big enough or strong enough part of his game to open the paint at all, besides that he is a poor passer and wouldn't be able to make the most of it even if he did open the paint. He's an absolute lunk in transition on both sides of the ball. Does nothing there. Doesn't do much off-the-ball generally, really needs the ball in his hands to be effective and isn't very good when others create for him. Isn't good at getting open and making a quick bucket on cross-screen plays because of his lack of understanding of a real set and because he's generally slow. His shooting is limited to spot-up, he doesn't really do it on-the-move or fading (which might be a good thing that he doesn't try). His push-shot is ugly and when it's not on it's horribly off. And he doesn't get to the line. Long story short, he can do one thing well but it hurts the rest of the team since he doesn't understand how to turn that into something that helps others.
He blocks some shots and did a good job containing his assignment this year, but his general awareness of schemes or his speed rotating was poor. His 2 blocks per game don't make up for the shots he gave up because he got lost.
His fundamentals are very poor across the board.
The Jazz allow A LOT fewer points when he's off the court. The Jazz outscore their opponents barely when he's off the court (+0.6) and get outscored when he's on it (-3.3). The Jazz rebounding rate is worse when he's on the court as well.
But yeah, he can put up some shots and make some. There are the reasons why I don't like Jefferson on the Jazz. His losing isn't a pure coincidence, especially when you consider that when he became THE big that the Jazz offense fell apart and the team eventually imploded. After that point, you would expect his stats to explode as the offense would be catered to his one-dimensional game, and unsurprisingly, that's exactly what happened.
I really hope you read this and understand it because even though I haven't completely stopped ranting about this, I'm actually quite sick of saying the same thing over and over. As surprising as that is.
Favors Flave
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I don't want to argue over all this crap but I'm sure you would complain if we had Dirk b/c he doesn't rebound at all. You'd probably hate Dwight b/c he can't shoot at all or pass. You'd hate Pau Gasol b/c he is lazy, is soft and is inconsistent. My point is you pointed out some good points on Al but every player has flaws and there not perfect.
So you are making your argument by comparing Al to Dirk, Howard, and Pau? So are you expecting NUMBERICA to concede that that group is largely one and the same?
Favors Flave
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No I'm listing some of the best big guys and how he could pick apart them too. I could go one with more too, Bynum isn't the best passer and can't shoot, Boozer is always injured, inconsistent at times and plays no defense, Marc Gasol is not effective in transition and doesn't score a lot, Z-Bo doesn't play D, is slow, can't jump and is undersized ETC
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No sir. It was a rumor.
That's terrible. Sorry, but Baron is not the future of the Cavs. We'll be drafting Irving!