Sneakers
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I don't know. I only do this on my cell phone and cant tell on here
Mormon Temple ceremony.
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I don't know. I only do this on my cell phone and cant tell on here
Oh ok. I po srepped you anyways. Tt the top under notifications it will show you any reps that you get.
As I have said many times on the board (and someone else, Stoked, I think) there are a few things that seem off limits. Belief or unbelief in God/religion, wife, kids .. everything else is in-bounds.
jimmy eat jazz
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With due respect I disagree 100% that belief or unbelief in God is out of bounds. As is evident just about everywhere, religious beliefs have profound impacts on laws, rules, social customs, health, safety, peace/conflict, etc on believer and unbeliever alike. Given their huge impact or potential impact on society at large, religious belives absolutely need to be held to same public scrutiny, criticism--even ridicule-- of any other set of beliefs. Were believers content only to sue their religious beliefs solely to guide their own lives then it might be different, but the fact that so many of them are not content to do so but in fact try to impose them on others removes any privilege we might otherwise grant those beliefs. Not to be overly dramatic but our very freedom requires that religious beliefs be held to same standards in the public square as other beliefs people might invoke in order to influence policy or gain power over others.
It should be clear that religion is not due any special protection. What is this? The 1500s? Your wives and kids are irrelevant to any debate, and bringing them up is clearly an ad hominem that serves no purpose but to offend. Call me crazy, but I think your beliefs are very relevant to many debates.
I also don't like to be questioned, so I'm declaring any disagreement with my opinions as off limits.
I also don't like to be questioned, so I'm declaring any disagreement with my opinions as off limits.
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Maybe it's because people (more often than not) usually begin a religious discussion with inflammatory remarks, as opposed to utilizing conversational skills that are conducive to intellectually-intriguing dialogue. I am very okay with people finding some aspects of my faith to critique, but some people might be annoyed to a remark akin to 'go bomb an embassy so you can sleep with 94 virgins you degenerate'. Plus, too many people wear their emotions on their sleeve, and a slight religious disagreement can cause them to sour their opinion on a person they otherwise used to like. So for the sake of the emotional-instability of some, I feel like people aim to avoid religious inquiries altogether. I personally consider myself less-sensitive than most, though sometimes I obviously can get annoyed as well.
Well lucky for you then, I'm a total dick regardless of the subject at hand.
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Though you might refer to yourself as a dick, I get the sense that you share your views and sometimes attack others while meaning well. You get passionate about issues not because you just feel like thing a dump on the views of others, rather you are actively trying to share views that seem to explain things so well in your conscience, and help others to achieve this as well. This is largely one of the reasons I like you so much, despite you being pretty much a poster that has questioned (sometimes insulted
) my faith more than most. All you need to remember is that some can feel a similar (sometimes, even higher) feeling of fulfillment in their mentality and spirituality, without needing to share views analogous to yours
Which I'm sure you know.
Allow me to expound. Whereas wife and kids seem to be a given and God is not ...
There is no greater sensitivity than death. It is how many of us live our lives, even above family.. even above prosperity or ego.
No one of us knows who's right, but something so important to the core (as our own blood), should be out-of-bounds only by means of respect. We can see, in the middle east, what the lack of respect brings..
I respect the position to disagree, but I am firmly in the camp that family/God is not cool to attack. To be clear, questioning is fine, disagreeing is fine, it's the attacking that seems dumb.
There is no greater sensitivity than death. It is how many of us live our lives, even above family.. even above prosperity or ego.
No one of us knows who's right, but something so important to the core (as our own blood), should be out-of-bounds only by means of respect. We can see, in the middle east, what the lack of respect brings..
I respect the position to disagree, but I am firmly in the camp that family/God is not cool to attack. To be clear, questioning is fine, disagreeing is fine, it's the attacking that seems dumb.
Then it's a good thing that's not what happened here. It was pointed out, by various posters, that they did not want the video posted because they would fin it offensive. It was anyways.
Basically they showed no respect So a good example would be you asking some guy not to do something him not to do something, some guy basically giving you the bird, and Doug it anyways. You'd have a problem with that to.
It has been shown many times that a discussion on religion is fine. We do that all the time. That's not what this was. Nice try though.
I was the one who withheld the video out of respect and called out the guy who posted it, turd.
CONAN
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Yes, such an innocent way to start a thread and it went downhill so quickly. Weird.
- The way I started the thread was fine.
- The conversation has been generally civil. Aside from that one guy posting the video against everyone's wishes.
- Stoked's lecture was a bit unexpected since I expressed the same opinion in this very thread.
pickledXgrandma
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It's too much----apparently--- to expect in any internet forum, that there won't be some deliberately tasteless, offensive, stinkers. But actually being offended by intellectual midgets probably isn't "the high road" either. And neither, in my view, calling out someone who may (or may not) have intended to provide an opportunity for such an act.
I would hope we could discuss "Mormon sensitivities" as well as any other religious or political "hot button topic" in here, and pretty much just roll with it all. I don't see this site as the fulcrum of public opinion upon which the future of mankind depends.
IIRC, I was the first to respond to Siro's initial post. I said it then and I say it now, he did nothing disrespectful. Some may get chippy and it's to be expected.. religion is uber important to many. That doesn't mean non-believers should harbor the same sensitivities. Siro asked with sincerity, imo..
You did start it in a very nice way.
I did not mean to lecture. My apologies. I meant that what did happen was in no way designed to discuss or even debate religion. I was basically disagreeing with you comparing this thread to an honest talk about religion.
It's all good.
And this Conan guy reminds me of my time at BYU. If I were to pick a perfect example of a generic BYU student, he's it.
